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I hear you. Frankly speaking I do not have any idea of what Meridian DACs cost, as they are not my preferred converters.
The only 80K DAC I am aware of is the MSB top model.
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Kuoppis , you survived Italy , France next .......
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All just fun. And I would say they survived Italy just barely, was an exciting game though.
I had not experienced a penalty shoot out with 17 penalty shots before, was epic.
But I am actually not that big a scoccer fan, just watching some games in the int'l tournaments. Today I am watching though
. How about yourself?
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I had not experienced a penalty shoot out with 17 penalty shots before, was epic.
But I am actually not that big a scoccer fan, just watching some games in the int'l tournaments. Today I am watching though
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The 808v3 was a typo on my part. And the 80k referred to the whole Meridian system not just the dac, according to the poster(bmoura).
I brought home the 808v6 for audition in my system. And after comparing MQA files played through the 808v6 with non-MQA files played through the Esoteric N-05, the non-MQA files via the Esoetric sound better than the MQA files via the 808v6.
But this is with my system and ears. With your system and ears, things may well be very different.
My personal comparison experience would explain why it is so tough for Meridian to do an A/B demo or even allow other companies to do likewise. This does not bode well for intent. And neither does pulling the plug from Auralic.
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The 808v3 was a typo on my part. And the 80k referred to the whole Meridian system not just the dac, according to the poster(bmoura).
I brought home the 808v6 for audition in my system. And after comparing MQA files played through the 808v6 with non-MQA files played through the Esoteric N-05, the non-MQA files via the Esoetric sound better than the MQA files via the 808v6.
But this is with my system and ears. With your system and ears, things may well be very different.
My personal comparison experience would explain why it is so tough for Meridian to do an A/B demo or even allow other companies to do likewise. This does not bode well for intent. And neither does pulling the plug from Auralic.
Please tell me more about your 808v6 "set-up" and comparison.
It is more about the dac hardware, system synergy and listening preferences. As described earlier in this thread, my set-up is as listed in my signature.
The 808v6 sounded better than my old Esoteric K-01. But the usb implementation in the N-05 is much better than that in the K-01 and 808v6. So the N-05 sounds better via usb for non-MQA files which in turn sound better than the same MQA files played through the 808v6 via usb.
RH in his TAS review prefers ethernet to usb for the 808v6.
With your ethernet set-up, the 808v6 would most certainly sound better. I could not test the ethernet connection due to the router's distant location from my rig.
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Which brings us back to the point that MQA will always be moot when your non-MQA dac makes redbook/hires pcm/DSD sound better than MQA via an MQA-dac, in your system and to your ears.
From Benchmark:
https://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/application_notes/163302855-is-mqa-doa
Note: It has a diagram that I've not seen before.
https://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/application_notes/163302855-is-mqa-doa
Note: It has a diagram that I've not seen before.
Looks like there is an ongoing campaign with regular write-ups/blog/forum posts critical of MQA :-
PS Audio, Ayre. Archimago, Miska, recently Benchmark
They certainly do make cogent points.
But not much of the audio press has come forth against it in any loud manner.
My impression is that the audio press is pro-MQA as they claim to hear its sonic improvements. General users who have access to a high quality audiophile-grade MQA DAC and sufficient MQA content for comparison in their own systems remain to be very few.
Bob Stuart already dismissed those blogs as "incorrect", said that "In general, the MQA system can reach in excess of either 23-bit dynamic range capability or 3–6 bits below the content noise in the audio band" and implied that those spectral analysis in the blogs do not indicate sound quality and cannot possibly measure improvements brought by MQA.
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Very interesting indeed.
Looks like there is a point in asking the snake oil salesmen to explain their snake oil.
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I guess this explains it;
[QUOTE] We believe that supporting MQA means handing over the entire recording industry to an external standards organization. MQA wants:
- Licensing fees from the recording studios
- Licensing fees from the digital audio product manufacturers
- Hardware or software access/insight into the DAC or player
- Subscription fees from every listener via Tidal, and/or royalties from purchases of re-releases by the recording industry
http://schiit.com/news?m
and it is a handy format for portable players;http://www.whathifi.com/news/pioneer-xdp-100r-worlds-first-mqa-ready-hi-res-music-player
This is probably not the big issue here. The primary thing is whether they can sell their product.
If they can, then they deserve their profit and recovery of investment.
If people don't buy it, nobody would care how much investment went into the product in the first place.
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I would still love to hear it in my system and would be happy to review it if it came with a bunch of music files that are common and could be compared against both LP and hi-rez PCM/DSD files. It seems like all of the demos have been carefully controlled and I'm not aware of a catalog of MQA popular music that you can download. I have read about all of the promises of MQA, but it sure would be nice to hear it in your own system with a catalog of music that is readily available in other formats.
Making an announcement is one thing. Getting into the details of the negotiation is another.
Negotiating on the hardware/software implementation in the recording studios, and the licensing fees won't be a walk in the park with the Warner execs.
Still strange that Pioneer promote a player with a download from the Sound Liaison label, I understand why as the download is one of the best sounding I own(PCM), but it is not possible to purchase the album as MQA.
I should think that such a small independent label should be very interested in selling that album as MQA. So I can't help but wonder, and this if of course speculation from my side as I have no way of knowing the facts, that the cut MQA wants from the labels is rather steep.
I should think that such a small independent label should be very interested in selling that album as MQA. So I can't help but wonder, and this if of course speculation from my side as I have no way of knowing the facts, that the cut MQA wants from the labels is rather steep.