Magnepan 30.7 Demo

Brian - welcome to the forum. It was nice to meet you. You had a difficult task no matter what: new brand, new speaker for that brand, unfamiliar venue and a rep you’re just getting to know. Don’t blame yourself. It’s not easy to dial everything in in strange location. I would have suggested chairs would have been nice and would have mitigated some grumbling. Otherwise, I sincerely wish you the best of luck with Magnepan. You’re a much nicer guy than their previous Maggie dealer on the west coast of Florida. I wish you and your lovely wife success.


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First of all Brian... a warm welcome to AudioShark! :hey: :audiophile:

I'm sorry that the demo didn't work out as well as you'd hoped it would, and I think most of us can understand the difficulty in being able to effectively run such an event in an unfamiliar room. I also have to say that you're a real mensch in admitting the demo was apparently less than optimal and taking full responsibility for its outcome. I'm sure that as these demos progress they will continue to improve and that the speakers will be given the praise that they likely deserve. It's apparent to me from your post that you have the proper attitude towards your potential customers and in the end these things tend to all work themselves out.
 
Welcome to AudioShark, Brian! Thanks for putting forth the effort to host this event. Sorry to hear it didn’t turn out as planned. Better luck next time.

Best,
Ken
 
Seems like we are coming full circle here. People who attended the event from this forum seemed to reach a consensus that the problems heard were all the fault of the speakers. Early on I asked how the room and possibly the associated gear weren't involved in the outcome of what was heard. One guy in particular was offended that someone (me) would suggest there were other contributing factors. Fast forward to now and another demo of the 30.7s took place in Jacksonville, FL. Here is the post from that event:

https://www.audionirvana.org/forum/...rs/95901-magnepan-30-7s-visit-jacksonville-fl
 
Mep, I would respectfully disagree.

I don't think the consensus is that the speakers in and of themselves was the problem. I still stand by my posts that the room and the speaker setup was the issue. I don't know what the 30.7's sound like properly setup.
 
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Must have been the room.[emoji6]


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Here is my review that was linked to above:

Last night I caught up with the Magnepan 30.7s and Wendell Diller on their cross continent tour. The demonstration was hosted in Jacksonville FL by the House of Stereo. I have been a long time acquaintance and client of the House of Stereo and had multiple occasions to enjoy their Magnepan 20.7s in one of their well-designed two channel listening rooms. I have always enjoyed the acoustics of this room which is large, not over dampened, and not too lively.
Knowing this room with the Ayre amplification and DAC, Wolf Audio Server, VPI analogue, along with Audience Cables and Power Conditioning allowed me a special comparison of just replacing the 20.7s with the 30.7s. Wendell set up the room as it has been described in previous tour write ups with most of the room cleared, including the proverbial “sweet spot”, enabling the participants to freely move through the sound field. Not only could we move about the room, we were expressly encouraged to do just that! Mr Diller started the demonstration with a short introduction about what he described as the “Power Curve”. The description was followed by the participants visiting multiple areas within the demonstration room, while music played, with an expectation we would have a similar musical experience at each location. The power curve description proposed that, with the 30.7s, all points in the room would receive similar power and subsequently a similar musical presentation. This proposition did bear fruit in my experience moving about this room.
The 30.7 in their touring colors of blue trim and white cloth are impressive and visually bright in person. Powered by the Ayre VX-5/20 through Audience AU24SX speaker cables the sound was everything excellent I have experienced with planars before with the addition of a dynamic in the bass that has always lacked for me previously. The 20.7s in this room and system always were enjoyable and engaging. The 30.7s were at a different level. When symphonic tympani drums hit you in the gut, as they are supposed to in the Copland piece that was used as a system warmup, you know these are not your father’s planars. The sound of the 30.7 was both enveloping and precise. The soundstage was very defined and with great depth that did not disappear or really change as you moved away from the “sweet spot” area to almost any point in the room. There was a little collapse as we walked behind the speakers but this was not a concern to myself.
In the appropriate sized room that can produce music without distracting barrier reflections and other echo artifacts these 30.7s produced music in a way that altered my planar perception. I have the same Ayre amp and DAC… Similar Audience cables… Now I just need that MUCH larger house with the MUCH larger dedicated room and my order for the 30.7s will be called in… Thank you Magnepan, Wendell Diller, and the House of Stereo.

Rick

I believe the room had a great influence on what was experienced at each of these demonstrations.
 
Wendell Diller of Magnepan on the importance of a speaker's 'Power Response' and why there are no chairs in their 30.7 demo tour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORo-fWwtMKE

So if you buy 30.1’s, plan on standing to listen to them? [emoji1787]. There is not getting around the “head in the vice” with Maggie’s - I’ve owned 5 pairs: MMG, 1.6, 1.7, 3.6 and 3.7. They are GREAT speakers for the money, but they need a lot of power (and can’t play particularly loud) and you need to lock your head in a vice when listening (same with ML). But what they do for the $$ - especially the 1.7’s - is terrific.
 
I agree that there is something odd about the no chairs approach. I have owned Maggies for decades. Still own the 3.6. Magnepans are amazing speakers and hard to beat for the price. But the "head in a vice" and inability to play very loud without blowing fuses or ribbons are definitely issues for me.
I still don't get the 30.7. There is no new technology that can be pointed to. They use the exact same ribbon and mid-range of the 20.7 (actually they use the same ribbon as my decade old 3.6!). Hard (for me) to justify double the price for a larger bass area.
 
Wendell Diller of Magnepan on the importance of a speaker's 'Power Response' and why there are no chairs in their 30.7 demo tour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORo-fWwtMKE
Just to be clear I wasn't advocating their approach nor did I mean my post as an endorsement of Magnepans (which have their attributes along with some shortcomings, like most good speakers) but just wanted to share the manufacturer's perspective.
 
Mr. Diller would have had a more positive reaction by audiophiles if he would have utilized a different setup approach. Positioning chairs as normally done in one's listening environment and, also, inviting people to walk around the room. I heard most people complain during the local demo about the no chairs room configuration than any positive comments about the merits of the speakers and their sound.

Feedback has been given but Mr. Diller still feels standing room only is the best to showcase the 30.1's; that's his prerogative I guess.
 
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