Magico S5 update

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I am sitting here and really enjoying the sound coming out of the S5s from my Bryston BDP-1, since I added a Shunyata Sigma Digital power cord to it this afternoon. The Sigma took the background noise floor even lower. You really have no idea about this phenomena until it is reduced, or gone.

Anyway, none of that matters if the speakers aren't up to the task, and I am happy to report the Magico S5s are sounding even better than when I got them in April. However, I have to admit that I have had some incidents with these speakers over the last few months, but Magico has stepped up and made things right.

As some may remember, in July I accidentally toasted the right S5 tweeter and mid-range by having the preamp at its maximum. Well, that was completely and totally my fault. Fortunately, Magico is 30 minutes up the road, so I took the speaker there, and they fixed it. Of course, it cost me $2k, but that's the price you pay for screwing up. At the time, Alon told me to keep an SPL meter handy to monitor the sound level as it can get really loud without you realizing just how high it is. Since then the highest I play these, and only occasionally, is in the low to mid 90s, with maybe a bounce into the upper 90s. This is measured 8' feet away in my chair. With the Pass XP-20 preamp this occurs with the volume in the 60s, while it was at 83 when I originally toasted the drivers.

After a month or so, I started noticing the sound didn't seem as balanced as before, with the left seeming more dominate. I tweaked the right volume a touch, and that bought the balance back. It still sounded great, but unbalanced. Then one night the right speaker sounded like crap. It turns out the midrange died. WTF! I knew I hadn't exceeded any capability of the speaker, but it broke.

So, I took it back to Magico, and they dissected the driver. They showed it to me, and said it appeared the driver banged against the magnet. Maybe it did, but I knew it wasn't from me. Alon said there was no other sign of abuse, and it was probably a manufacturing defect. So, they replaced it for free, and I was back in business.

Then in October I am listening to the stereo, and I notice the left side volume go down, then it would come back. After a while, it did that trick again. Now what I wondered. Finally, it went down again, but didn't come back. Now I have to shift the balance to the left, but even then it didn't sound quite right. At this point I started waiting for whatever is breaking to completely break so I could get it fixed. A week later I am listening to a new CD of chamber music that has a lot of ping type sounds, such as striking a triangle, and it was sounding dull. At that point I started to use the balance on the DAC to alternate between left and right, and I realized the tweeter on the left speaker wasn't working.

My first thought was this is just a continuation of the damage I caused in July. I figured that while the right tweeter broke, at the same time I probably weakened the left, and it finally failed. I ordered a tweeter from Magico, and replaced it a week later. No help. Same issue. Well, that sure was a waste of $800 I thought. However, Dave, the support manager, said they would refund me since that wasn't the problem.

On Tuesday I once again returned a speaker. It turns out this time a resistor on the cross-over cracked, and failed. Although I was ready to pay to fix this, Magico fixed it for no charge. Friday I picked up the speaker, and a check for $800. Now I am sitting here, and once again, am just amazed at how good these speakers sound.

I have had a bit of bad luck, but I hope that is all behind me now. I am also grateful Magico is right up the road. I have never bought used gear before buying the S5s, and never will again. It is my understanding the previous owner played vinyl through them, and they can't take that abuse from the pops, clicks, and rumble. Just kidding. :)
 
Something is wrong here. Either this forum software, or the iPad Mini Note application has a major bug. I created my previous post with Note, copied and pasted it, and it ended up with useless HTML color tags before and after each paragraph.

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Another test. This time I pasted first into an email, then copied from there. To here.

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It's the iPad note app. I copy and paste from Word all the time and it works great.

Man, you've had some serious challenges. Glad they are sounding great once again though.

I think the speakers were revolting because they weren't getting vinyl! [emoji41]



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Thankfully, I have been fortunate enough to have these challenges.

Maybe it is the the new 8.0 IOS. It never did this before, and doesn't on other sites. I would expect the forum software to default all pasted text into Courier with no formatting, but you can see the original post isn't courier.
 
Well, this is pretty disturbing to any Magico owner Bud. You're lucky you're down the road from them and I have to say , you show a lot more forgiveness towards them than I would in the same circumstances . I have had zero issues with my Q3's , really makes me wonder about what the previous owner was doing with them . Good luck going forward , may your tweeters forever sound sweet.......
 
Well, this is pretty disturbing to any Magico owner Bud. You're lucky you're down the road from them and I have to say , you show a lot more forgiveness towards them than I would in the same circumstances . I have had zero issues with my Q3's , really makes me wonder about what the previous owner was doing with them . Good luck going forward , may your tweeters forever sound sweet.......

LOL....I was the previous owner and I can assure you, I babied them. You may want to read Bud's post from July where he had a few too many beers, drove the S5's to incredible SPL's and his amps clipped and damaged the speakers. You can read about it here: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread.php?t=5263

This is the $2000 repair he speaks of. My GUESS is that these are residual affects from that incident.

I think Bud's comment is referring to the lack of warranty, but even then, I suspect warranty wouldn't have covered the damaged parts due to overdriving the speakers.
 
Apologies Mike .....now we know definitively that the previous owner was completely responsible :yahoo1:
 
Apologies Mike .....now we know definitively that the previous owner was completely responsible :yahoo1:

No worries. I had them for about 5 months and actually rarely played them. But when I did, I mostly used my first set of VAC phi200 amps and they sounded pretty damn good. I can see how they would be great with Pass amps.


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+1

Now we know that it was all Mike's fault. Of course it could have been the tube amps...

:P

Careful Doug.



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Sounds like Mike unloaded them in the nick of time! :exciting: With the quality of the drivers that Magico designs and builds and the cost of their speakers, I would be alarmed if I was told not to play them loud. You would think that if you like to listen to your music loud after a few too many beers, the speakers should accommodate SPLs in the low 100s as long as the amp isn't clipping. With your volume turned up into the 80s on your preamp dial, that sounds like it should have been blowing your walls down. What amps were you using at the time you fried your tweeter? Did Alon say the tweeter damage came from your amp clipping?
 
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Something is wrong here. Either this forum software, or the iPad Mini Note application has a major bug. I created my previous post with Note, copied and pasted it, and it ended up with useless HTML color tags before and after each paragraph.

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WTF is going on here?

Software. With the last update or two, it's been very hard to cut and paste things. Seems to be worse on some sites like here or FB.
 
I think he was using the big Pass X600.5's.


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That would be a lot of power on tap and one would think if he had his Pass preamp dialed up into the 80s that had to be real damn loud.
 
That would be a lot of power on tap and one would think if he had his Pass preamp dialed up into the 80s that had to be real damn loud.

I think if you go back and read his post from July or August (link above in my post) - the amps shut down!


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With the Pass XP-20 preamp this occurs with the volume in the 60s, while it was at 83 when I originally toasted the drivers.

I have an XP-20 and the digital readout on the volume control only goes to "63". How did you get it to "83"?
 
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