Magico S5 mk2

LVB said:
Even the S3 is better than the Alexia…
Have a look at the latest Stereo (Germany), the S3 has the lowest distortion figures I have everseen out of their measurements (Below what they can measure...). Look at how much smother both the frq response,on and off axis, and the impulse looks (Why are the Alexia tweeter is out of phase?). And that is the Mk1, I wonder what the Mk2 will do… The Alexia is more efficient, but it has 2X10", the S3 has only 2X8"

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Both speakers have their tweeter phase inverted in relation to main drivers the WA is inverted phase to the Magico thats all , BTW the magico sensitivity is really 85db @1 watt and the WA is 89db/W , both speakers exhibit a roll off on axis and are approx 3db(M) 5 db (WA) down at 10K....
 
madfloyd said:
Remind me what you're driving them with and what space they are in, Mike?
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I go back and forth between the Vitus SS-103 amp/SL-102 mk2 preamp and VAC Signature 200iQ monos with KT150's. New VAC phono and preamp coming soon. That way, I can demo full tube, full solid state or a combination. To my ears, the new VAC amps give me the CAT sound I heard at CES at a much much better price point and with iQ worry free technology.

As for the Vitus...the synergy with Magico is heavenly.
 
a.wayne said:
Both speakers have their tweeter phase inverted in relation to main drivers the WA is inverted phase to the Magico thats all , BTW the magico sensitivity is really 85db @1 watt and the WA is 89db/W , both speakers exhibit a roll off on axis and are approx 3db(M) 5 db (WA) down at 10K....
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The S3 drivers are all connected in-phase (just confirmed it with Magico), but that, was not my point (nor was tweeter output at certain frq )...
 
Thanks for the response and data, The Step response shows a discontinuity relative to and both aren't time align designs , So Hmmmm. What were the distortion numbers on the WA and i could not tell if they were tested at 1 watt or not ........


Regards..
 
a.wayne said:
Thanks for the response and data, The Step response shows a discontinuity relative to and both aren't time align designs , So Hmmmm. What were the distortion numbers on the WA and i could not tell if they were tested at 1 watt or not ........


Regards..
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the 3 green numbers at 63/3K/10KHz are the distortion figures. On the S3 the 3K and 10K they measure less then lab ability to capture, we are talking amplifier territory- a big deal for a mechanical device.
 
LVB said:
the 3 green numbers at 63/3K/10KHz are the distortion figures. On 3K and 10K they measure less then lab ability to capture, we are talking amplifier territory- a big deal for a mechanical device.
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This is for the Wilson's? Wow.


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LVB said:
No, it is for the Magico...
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Wow. That's impressive. Can't even measure the distortion? Magico definitely is constantly pushing the envelope in speaker engineering. [emoji106]


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Mike said:
Wow. That's impressive. Can't even measure the distortion? Magico definitely is constantly pushing the envelope in speaker engineering. [emoji106]


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What is really is impressive is the S3 figure of distortion at 63Hz. It is 3 times lower then the Alexia, a ported design, which suppose to put less stress on the woofers.
 
LVB said:
What is really is impressive is the S3 figure of distortion at 63Hz. It is 3 times lower then the Alexia, a ported design, which suppose to put less stress on the woofers.
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Better parts. Better drivers. Better design. Better measurable results.


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LVB said:
the 3 green numbers at 63/3K/10KHz are the distortion figures. On the S3 the 3K and 10K they measure less then lab ability to capture, we are talking amplifier territory- a big deal for a mechanical device.
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this isn't that big of a deal. there is a reason JA doesn't even provide this data.
 
LVB said:
the 3 green numbers at 63/3K/10KHz are the distortion figures. On the S3 the 3K and 10K they measure less then lab ability to capture, we are talking amplifier territory- a big deal for a mechanical device.
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I understand , my question was, Do you know the power level this measurement was done at ...
 
KeithR said:
this isn't that big of a deal. there is a reason JA doesn't even provide this data.
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It is a very big deal, at least according to everyone who does measure distortions, and there are quite a few, Martin Colloms, one of the fathers of loudspeaker design, is one of them - otherwise why would they bother to do that? I can respect your admiration of JA, but his methods are not more (or less) valid than anyone else. He does not measure distortion because he most likely does not have the proper environment to do so (he may have other explanations, again I don't know, obviously others do believe in it).
 
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It is a very big deal, at least according to everyone who does measure distortions, and there are quite a few, Martin Colloms, one of the fathers of loudspeaker design, is one of them - otherwise why would they bother to do that? I can respect your admiration of JA, but his methods are not more (or less) valid than anyone else. He does not measure distortion because he most likely does not have the proper environment to do so (he may have other explanations, again I don't know, obviously others do believe in it).
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Distortion numbers are valid , i do them, preferring to use 1-10 watts and compare, it also tells you at 10 watts if there is any distortion increase due to VCT vs 1 watt, I would like to see 1,2,5,10 watt FR plots, tells alot more than these simple plots with magnitude and no phase. JA as well as others measure a bit guarded, most giving only basics and mostly the flattering stuff , as you thought those were stellar Step responses .. :)


Sorry to inform , but nothing posted up as data in your comparison says sound better , buy me, at 85db sensitivity , the Magico will need more amplifier than the WA, the amplifier being used will have a bigger effect on the outcome when comparing the two..

Of course YMMV and always buy the one you like ........
 
a.wayne said:
Distortion numbers are valid , i do them, preferring to use 1-10 watts and compare, it also tells you at 10 watts if there is any distortion increase due to VCT vs 1 watt, I would like to see 1,2,5,10 watt FR plots, tells alot more than these simple plots with magnitude and no phase. JA as well as others measure a bit guarded, most giving only basics and mostly the flattering stuff , as you thought those were stellar Step responses .. :)


Sorry to inform , but nothing posted up as data in your comparison says sound better , buy me, at 85db sensitivity , the Magico will need more amplifier than the WA, the amplifier being used will have a bigger effect on the outcome when comparing the two..

Of course YMMV and always buy the one you like ........
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Yes and no, sensitivity is only one, kind of limited in scope, aspect of ease of drivability (but you know that).

All I am saying is that these magazines take measurements in a repeatable constant fashion ( unlike JA, btw), allowing for empirical comparison.
 
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