Magico S5 mk2

Ken, I think your observations are probably correct. The ultimate application of Magico's diamond-coated BE tweeter is the more comprehensive 28mm tweeters found in the M Pro and Q7 Mk2, but of course that would not be possible in the S series on the grounds of cost. Re; the next tweeter iteration, based on the product life of the S5 Mk1 which debuted 4 years ago, I don't think we're going to see a new tweeter variant in the S series anytime soon. I think my earlier ranking of the S7's tweeter is appropriate. There are better tweeters, but for the money, with this level of integration, it's damn good :amazing:.

Big +1. It is a damn good tweeter and the S7 is a damn good speaker. I was impressed as heck with them. I admire Alon's pursuit of audio perfection. He is relentless and he's winning the war!

Best,
Ken
 
Magico have had an interesting journey with their show demo's since the inception of the S series, going from Devialet, Spectral and Constellation to Soulution, Vitus & CAT.

Don't forget Boulder-- early CES


Bruce
 
Bruce, my friend David used to own a Boulder 1060 a few years ago, though unfortunately I didn't get to hear that setup. He said it sounded natural, but was pretty much dead neutral in tonal balance, so he ran an Ayon tube pre upstream to add some tube virtues. Hence I wouldn't describe the older 1000 series & Magico as natural bedfellows (unless paired with a tubed linestage).

OTOH a mutual friend recently bought the awesome Boulder 3060 & Boulder 2120 dac. He told me they sound very organic and have a tube-like liquidity, as well as having awesome power & resolution. The 2100 series are supposed to be similarly musical creations, though scaled down obviously. So yes it would be fun sitting down to an audition with Boulder's topline amps, though not cheap! :afraid:
 
Here is the S5 Mk2 in M-cast Bronze! I bet Adam will be drooling ;)

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Hi Tom,

Thanks for your tweeter post, your choices are very interesting and some of the speakers I've not had the opportunity to hear for myself, so it's great to get your opinion on them.

I had a 3 hour audition of the Magico S7 with Spectral gear and $50,000 of MIT cabling in a carefully set up listening room with at least 20 tube traps. Please keep in mind that this is just one person's opinion. The S7's new diamond-coated beryllium tweeter is a HUGE improvement over the S5 Mk1's beryllium tweeter in 1) Ease, 2) Transparency and 3) Resolution. On 75% of the music I auditioned, the tweeter blended seamlessly with the midrange and produced an accurate, transparent and musical presentation, which overall was highly enjoyable. However, on about 25% of the recordings, there was a hard edge to the treble, which made me notice the tweeter and detracted from my overall listening experience. Mike felt this could have been caused by the Spectral gear, which is entirely possible, but what I can tell you is that Overture has put tremendous care into designing this system and room. This, what I will call, unforgiving nature of the tweeters on these particular recordings, made the speakers a "no go" for me. Please...no tomatoes!!!

Best,
Ken

I have never liked any of the Magico S / Spectral combinations I've heard. They sounded either spectacular (on Reference Recordings) or really bad (on anything else). I even brought home the Spectral SS30 mk 2 / 260 combo with all Spectral cabling, and din't like it at all. DarTZeel and esp. MSB sounded much, MUCH better.

MSB, like the Vitus, is also a good match, as their amps are a bit on the warm side.
 
Well folks, the S5 MkII web page has officially gone live on Magico LLC's website!:yahoo1:http://magico.net/product/s5mkii.php And you Sharkies heard it first ;) Here are some of the stunning images..

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I noticed they lowered the max power from 1200 watts down to 1000 watts. :)
Lol, yeah I noticed that too :lol:. Another interesting spec is the S5 Mk2's dig down lower in the sub-bass region to 20Hz like the S7, which matches the Rockport Cygnus and goes lower than the Vandersteen Model 7 MkII (22Hz).

Surprisingly, the S5 Mk2 is 1db less efficient than the old S5's according to Magico's website. I also confirmed with Magico the published specs are correct. According to Alon, the S7's new drivers allowed the x-over to be simplified, which in turn resulted in a 1db gain in efficiency. However the gain in efficiency hasn't translated to the S5 Mk2's, possibly due to their smaller cabinet volume, and 1 less 10" bass driver? I know Martin Colloms measured the S5's sensitivity @88db, so the best case scenario is the S5 Mk2's measure the same in an independant lab test under the same conditions. Worst case scenario is they measure 1db less than the S5 MK1's. But we won't know until and if Martin Colloms gets his hand on a pair of S5 Mk2's.
 
Well folks, the S5 MkII web page has officially gone live on Magico LLC's website!:yahoo1:http://magico.net/product/s5mkii.php And you Sharkies heard it first ;) Here are some of the stunning images..



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I wonder if that is just the pic, or the vertical rods that hold the horizontal crates are missing ?

They used to tension the structure in vertical direction. Here you can see the first one beeing fitted:

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You are killing me with that color.
Pearl white is a really nice color, though you need the right room colors/decor for it. I'm not sure, but I think M-coat Titanium & Piano black, and M-cast pewter & bronze might be safer colors for re-sale. But Pearl white would probably have better WAF :lol:.
 
I wonder if that is just the pic, or the vertical bars that hold the horizontal crates are missing ?

They used to tension the structure in vertical direction. Here you can see the first one beeing fitted:
The pic on Magico's web page appears to be a computer-generated image. With that said, the midrange enclosure would not allow several of the vertical tensioning rods to be placed in the upper section, though it's not clear from the rendering if and where vertical rods would be placed. We may have to wait until Magico publish some new factory pics, or the next factory tour. But the heavier top and bottom plates would certainly improve structural rigidity.
 
Lol, yeah I noticed that too :lol:. Another interesting spec is the S5 Mk2's dig down lower in the sub-bass region to 20Hz like the S7, which matches the Rockport Cygnus and goes lower than the Vandersteen Model 7 MkII (22Hz).

Surprisingly, the S5 Mk2 is 1db less efficient than the old S5's. According to Alon, the S7's new drivers allowed the x-over to be simplified, which in turn resulted in a 1db gain in efficiency. However that may not translate to the S5 Mk2's due to their smaller cabinet volume, and 1 less 10" bass driver. I know Martin Colloms measured the S5's sensitivity @88db, so perhaps there is no change from the old model? :doubtful:I might check with Magico & report back.

Hi Tom,

The Vandersteen 7 MkII can produce significant bass all the way down to 20 Hz. With 400 watt per channel powered dual 12 inch subwoofers, 11-band equalization, attenuation and Q adjustment (to add warmth in the low frequency range, if desired), they will shake a listening room like an earthquake when listening to pipe organ music. Trust me, I've heard it!

Best,
Ken
 
Hi Tom,

The Vandersteen 7 MkII can produce significant bass all the way down to 20 Hz. With 400 watt per channel powered dual 12 inch subwoofers, 11-band equalization, attenuation and Q adjustment (to add warmth in the low frequency range, if desired), they will shake a listening room like an earthquake when listening to pipe organ music. Trust me, I've heard it!

Best,
Ken
Hi Ken,

Thanks for the clarification, and my bad. I was just going off the specs on Vandersteen's website. I just mentioned that by way of comparision. Yes, those active 12" bass drivers should produce deep. prodigious bass. As for the tweaky EQ, personally I don't like stuffing around with that stuff. Heck, my system is pretty humble by these standards, so I try to keep it simple. But different horses for different courses they say :). Now we'll just have to wait and see if the S5 Mk2 can do the same trick!

Cheers,
Tom.
 
Hi Tom,

No worries. The setup of the Vandersteen 7 MkII is quite involved. The dealer comes in and measures the amp impedance, sets high-pass filter adjustments and runs 11 test tones to set the subwoofer equalizer. Attenuation can be adjusted by the listener to increase or decrease the amount of overall bass and the Q can also be adjusted by the listener to alter the frequency response curve in the bass to increase or decrease warmth. All this adjustability enables the listener to customize bass for his listening room and listening preferences.

In my experience with the S7, with its three 10 inch woofers, it produces prodigious amounts of bass that is extremely low in distortion and not only goes extremely deep but delivers a visceral impact to the listener (i.e. A REAL GUT PUNCH!). Some of the best bass I've ever heard actually.

Ken
 
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