Magico Announces the A3 Loudspeaker

PeterA said:
Excellent advice.

Sanbobo, I presume you heard the A3 at a Magico dealer. Why not try to hear the S3Mk2 at a Magico dealer, hopefully with the same equipment in the same room, and then decide for yourself which is the one worth buying?

Is there a reason you have not been able to hear the S3?
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The A3 was at a friend's listening room.

No dealers in my area :(
 
Sanbobo said:
The A3 was at a friend's listening room.

No dealers in my area :(
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Sorry to hear there is no dealer near by. I have not heard the S3Mk2 or the A3. I've heard lots of other Magico speakers though. Sorry, but I don't think I can give you advice about what to buy.
 
mep said:
How's that work? Audio gear is a depreciating asset and speakers take the biggest hit on the used market. The more times a pair of speakers changes hands, the less desirable it becomes on the used market. Never purchase used audio gear on the premise you will get your money back when you sell it.
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Mep, this is often the case, but I have sold cartridges and amplifiers for more that I have paid for them. And some classic products reach a price and then do not depreciate much further. Some even go up in price. It all depends on what the market is and what one paid for the gear. How long you have the gear also matters. I know one owner of the Q3 who thinks they will actually go up in value based on used prices today.

Brodricj suggested getting a used pair of Q3s. I paid $17K for mine and there are two for sale now around $25K. Yes, speakers do take a big hit, but if you buy right, and the speaker is in demand, you may not lose much money. Brodricj did write "...then sell Q3 for about what you paid for them." The key is "for about". I think Brodricj is right on this one. I could sell my pair of Q3s tomorrow to a guy I now who is looking for a good pair for $20K. That's how that works.
 
PeterA said:
...I paid $17K for mine...
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Bargain of the Century. You bought well and might even flip them for a small profit.

I own both M3 and Q3 now. Prior to those I owned S3. If somebody were to make me a good offer on the M3 I'd happily go back to Q3. They are an outstanding speaker.
 
What about the grill that can be attached to the A3, does it make any resonance?
For sure Magico will make sure that it is silent, but I came across a review about one of the Magicos. Where the reviewer claims that Magico's grill is resonating!

Also what about the feet that can be upgraded to? Did any of you try it?
 
I have the A3's with grills There is no resonance with the grills on. I don't play my speakers loud. But, with grills off or grills on there is no sonic drop off that I can hear with the A3's. Other speakers I've owned I'd remove the grills to get a little more from the speakers at times. The A3 grills just stay on. They also protect the tweeters that come with a warning lable. The magnets on the grills create a very solid contact.
 
Sanbobo said:
What about the grill that can be attached to the A3, does it make any resonance?
For sure Magico will make sure that it is silent, but I came across a review about one of the Magicos. Where the reviewer claims that Magico's grill is resonating!

Also what about the feet that can be upgraded to? Did any of you try it?
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You are not supposed to listen to any a Magico loudspeaker with the grill on; these are for protection only (it took years to convince them to even do that :|).
 
Particularly considering how easy it is to remove the grills. Grills on/off sounded different with my S3. Don't have a grill option with Q3 or M3. I wish they did, I'm paranoid about accidental damage to the drivers that might otherwise be prevented with grills installed.
 
PeterA said:
Mep, this is often the case, but I have sold cartridges and amplifiers for more that I have paid for them. And some classic products reach a price and then do not depreciate much further. Some even go up in price. It all depends on what the market is and what one paid for the gear. How long you have the gear also matters. I know one owner of the Q3 who thinks they will actually go up in value based on used prices today.

Brodricj suggested getting a used pair of Q3s. I paid $17K for mine and there are two for sale now around $25K. Yes, speakers do take a big hit, but if you buy right, and the speaker is in demand, you may not lose much money. Brodricj did write "...then sell Q3 for about what you paid for them." The key is "for about". I think Brodricj is right on this one. I could sell my pair of Q3s tomorrow to a guy I now who is looking for a good pair for $20K. That's how that works.
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Yes, it is normally the case. And yes, sometimes you can get lucky and buy a piece of audio gear for less than current market value and flip it for a profit. Those are exceptions to the norm of purchasing depreciating assets.
 
mep said:
Yes, it is normally the case. And yes, sometimes you can get lucky and buy a piece of audio gear for less than current market value and flip it for a profit. Those are exceptions to the norm of purchasing depreciating assets.
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Mep, I was simply responding to the very specific suggestion made by brodricj that sanbobo should consider buying a used pair of Q3s instead of the A3 or S3 mk2. I was discussing the subject in that context and agreeing with brodricj that if sanbobo did not like the Q3, he could sell if "for about" the amount he bought it for. Purchasing depreciating assets in general is a whole different discussion.

Are you specifically suggesting that sanbobo would not be well served to consider brodricj's suggestion? If so, why not?
 
PeterA said:
Mep, I was simply responding to the very specific suggestion made by brodricj that sanbobo should consider buying a used pair of Q3s instead of the A3 or S3 mk2. I was discussing the subject in that context and agreeing with brodricj that if sanbobo did not like the Q3, he could sell if "for about" the amount he bought it for. Purchasing depreciating assets in general is a whole different discussion.

Are you specifically suggesting that sanbobo would not be well served to consider brodricj's suggestion? If so, why not?
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Again, my comment was made as a general statement that people shouldn’t predicate a purchasing decision based on the expectation they won’t lose any money when they sell the used audio gear. There are special cases when a product is so high in demand and the supply is so low that you can break even or make a profit. Maybe the Q3s will end up in this category. Time will tell.

I proffered no opinions on whether it’s a good idea to purchase the used Q3s. Why would I since I have never heard them?
 
mep said:
Again, my comment was made as a general statement that people shouldn’t predicate a purchasing decision based on the expectation they won’t lose any money when they sell the used audio gear. There are special cases when a product is so high in demand and the supply is so low that you can break even or make a profit. Maybe the Q3s will end up in this category. Time will tell.

I proffered no opinions on whether it’s a good idea to purchase the used Q3s. Why would I since I have never heard them?
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You seem to be suggesting that that buying depreciating assets is not a good idea because you are likely to lose money. That can be said for almost all audio gear. All brodricj and I are suggesting is that it is quite possible that sanbobo may lose less money buying a pair of used Q3s because they have already depreciated a great deal. The implication is that there is less risk. He would likely lose even more money if he bought a new S3 mk2 and did not like them.

I think we have drifted a bit off topic here, but I do think in general that buying used audio gear is less risky than buying new gear, and there are some good deals on used speakers that may actually sound better than new speakers for the same or less cost. Sanbobo was asking for opinions and this is just one.
 
PeterA said:
You seem to be suggesting that that buying depreciating assets is not a good idea because you are likely to lose money.
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I wish you would read what I wrote instead of trying to surmise what I think. I stated twice now quite clearly that buying a piece of used audio gear with the expectation that you are going to sell it in the near future and not lose money on it might not be realistic.

PeterA said:
That can be said for almost all audio gear.
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Of course the same could be said for purchasing any depreciating asset. That's why they are called depreciating assets.

PeterA said:
All brodricj and I are suggesting is that it is quite possible that sanbobo may lose less money buying a pair of used Q3s because they have already depreciated a great deal. The implication is that there is less risk. He would likely lose even more money if he bought a new S3 mk2 and did not like them.
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I'm sorry I ever commented on this thread and said it might not be a wise decision to expect you won't lose money when you sell a piece of used gear. You can't seem to let it go and infer things in what I said vice what I wrote.

PeterA said:
I think we have drifted a bit off topic here, but I do think in general that buying used audio gear is less risky than buying new gear, and there are some good deals on used speakers that may actually sound better than new speakers for the same or less cost. Sanbobo was asking for opinions and this is just one.
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There are good deals on used speakers that can be had at a fraction of what they sold for originally. The Q3s sold for $38,950 when new and you paid less than half of that for your pair. I'm glad you are happy with your pair and that you feel passionate about recommending them to other people.
 
I personally hear no difference screens on or off with my S3Mk2 although they stay off most of the time.
I have heard the A3’s multiple times and they are a bargain for the price.
I had a pair S1Mk2 previously and they were great speakers. But S3mk2s really outclass them in sq and price. To me they are the sweet spot in the Magico lineup.
I did consider used Q3 but their added weight and size plus my room being fairly small convinced me to go with the S3Mk2s with which I am thrilled.
They are all great speakers and they get progressively better as you go up the ladder.
 
There is a noticible increase in clarity/volume with the screens off with the S5 MK 2. I was actually surprised when I realized that.
 
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