Magico and class D amp

Mr Peabody said:
Naim gear has low power ratings but perform better than their rating, typically very high current.

Have you looked at Devialet?
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I am considering Devialet 220 as well but I’m wondering how its performance would compare to the NAD M33. I like the features of M33 more, just not sure if Devialet would sound better.
 
pdxaudio said:
I’m planning on getting a pair of the new Magico A5s and I’m researching some integrated systems to drive them. I would like to get something that runs cool and has a small footprint so I started looking into class D amplification. Would something like the upcoming NAD M33 drive them sufficiently or do I need more/different power?

The budget is around $10k but could go a bit higher for the right system. Also my preference is a black component over silver and would like it to be an all in one system that is Roon ready. I’m open to any other suggestions in class D or otherwise.

Thanks
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Haven’t read the entire thread so apologies if I have missed this, but if you want an integrated to drive Magico A5s or even A3s, the Gryphon Diablo 300 or 120 are must haves on your list
 
pdxaudio said:
I am considering Devialet 220 as well but I’m wondering how its performance would compare to the NAD M33. I like the features of M33 more, just not sure if Devialet would sound better.
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I owned a Devialet 220. Nice kit. Diablo 120 is better IMHO. I never owned a 120, but demoed it against my D120 and a Diablo 300.
 
In my opinion Devialet would sound noticeably better than NAD/M33. Obviously the M33 isn't out yet but I haven't heard any NAD Master series so far to come close to the Devialet.

NAD is pushing out some interesting products but they seem to be coming out before the bugs are completely worked out, especially in the software end. I was looking at the NAD C658 for possible use in a system where convenience is important, the user reviews of issues put me on another track.



pdxaudio said:
I am considering Devialet 220 as well but I’m wondering how its performance would compare to the NAD M33. I like the features of M33 more, just not sure if Devialet would sound better.
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We're using the Devialet Expert 440 Pro Dual with a pair of Magico M2 speakers as our reference setup for personal listening. My preference is for the music to be reproduced as accurately and precisely as possible, as opposed to having some added color. If not using any other speaker correction, the SAM feature can help improve the coherency of a speaker.
 
NekoAudio said:
We're using the Devialet Expert 440 Pro Dual with a pair of Magico M2 speakers as our reference setup for personal listening. My preference is for the music to be reproduced as accurately and precisely as possible, as opposed to having some added color. If not using any other speaker correction, the SAM feature can help improve the coherency of a speaker.
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I bet it sounds amazing. What other amplifiers are using with the M2?
 
AJR said:
Haven’t read the entire thread so apologies if I have missed this, but if you want an integrated to drive Magico A5s or even A3s, the Gryphon Diablo 300 or 120 are must haves on your list
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Gryphon 300 looks good although I’d probably choose Boulder 866 over it because of its streaming capability, not sure how much heat the Gryphon puts out.
 
And Devialet definitely sounds interesting although then I might want the 440 or 1000 but that gets expensive, could always start with 220.
 
The Gryphon 300 puts out a bunch of heat. It's a great piece and its internal dac is awesome. It performs WAY above it's price.

It doesn't get hot to the touch but that's because of it's great heat sinks to disperse the heat. But it does put out a bunch of Btu's.
 
I had a Devolet 1000 and yes on paper it has a lot of watts, but in actual use . . .

To be nice - I'll just say that it would go into protection mode if played loud. Where for example my Accuphase A-35 I had at the same time with its low rated power would play just as loud.

Def try before buying.
 
Magico and Class D... no! And, I’ve owned class D.

Why go there when there are so many good class A and A/B amps.
 
Ritmo said:
Magico and Class D... no! And, I’ve owned class D.

Why go there when there are so many good class A and A/B amps.
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Yes this is TRUTH. Diablo 300 and don’t look back. Especially with As. Made my A3s sound like slightly less refined M2s - no joke. Still kicking myself for selling them.


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owldiscourse said:
Yes this is TRUTH. Diablo 300 and don’t look back. Especially with As. Made my A3s sound like slightly less refined M2s - no joke. Still kicking myself for selling them.


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Definitely Gryphon with Magico. Pass and Boulder too!

NO CLASS D


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Mr Peabody said:
In my opinion Devialet would sound noticeably better than NAD/M33. Obviously the M33 isn't out yet but I haven't heard any NAD Master series so far to come close to the Devialet.

NAD is pushing out some interesting products but they seem to be coming out before the bugs are completely worked out, especially in the software end. I was looking at the NAD C658 for possible use in a system where convenience is important, the user reviews of issues put me on another track.
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Is the Devialet considered Class D ..?
 
Devialet
Pre = Class A
Power = Class D
Great combo Magico/Devialet imo.
There are many dealers and tests world wide which would confirm my opinion.
Try it out, it’s a question of taste. The combo sounds neutral.

Personally I would go Magico with VAC.


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I have owned several magicos and quite consistently, all the amps that sounded the best with them were on the warmer side of neutral. It can be a powerful tube amp or class-A solid state, but they have to be on the warmer side of neutral to make them sound right.

None of the D-Class amps I have tried on my Magicos (Devialet, Nord with NCore modules, Nord with the latest PuriFi modules) worked. The sound was way too thin and was lacking depth.

Of all amps I have tried, the ones I liked most were Vitus SM011 monos, Dagostino Momentum Stereo and my MSB M202 monos. All class A solid state.

I bet the big Conrad Johnson amps (tube) would also sound fantastic. Luxman, Accuphase should sound good with them too.

If you want to stay on the budget, I don't think you can do better than the MSB Technology S201 stereo power amp that is currently listed on AudiogoN @ $4900 (I'm not associated with the seller). For ~$7k you can get the MSB M202 monos - those are really special.
 
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