Lumin X1

Re: Lumin X1 Flagship Roon Ready Network Player

I took the Lumin X1 home about a week ago after the Lampizator GA started producing a buzz. I’ve been listening to the Lumin X1 at home and I have to say, it’s a really terrific network streamer. I’m using Ethernet (not fiber) and really enjoying. It really is a big step up from the S1. It’s sweeter on top with great separation and just as musical.
 
Just got an unexpected opportunity to loan an X1 as my dealer has become an Lumin dealer.......so today i was asking if it might be possible to get at loan on the X1 ( crazy as i am ) and his reply was , sure...

So went home listened a to some songs on my Lumin T1 , before making the change to the X1
And on with the songs.... waouu , that is really great in so many areas... did not expect that to be so much.
Better definition of soundstage as well as intrsuments and voices....bas is really good.

Now i already am considering how i can get this piece for me... likely not this year....maybe an upgrade over the S1 first !!
Has to say that the Lumin X1 to my knowledge has only a few hours on it at most...not sure how big a difference there will be with more hours on the unit.
 
only a few hours on it at most
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Typically we hear that customers find improvement during 1-2 weeks of 24/7 playback.
For me, with my A1, the most gains were during the first 5 days.

It's definitely worth leaving it playing (with the amp volume off) 24/7 while you have it on loan.

Glad to hear that you are enjoying it!
 
thingswelike said:
Typically we hear that customers find improvement during 1-2 weeks of 24/7 playback.
For me, with my A1, the most gains were during the first 5 days.

It's definitely worth leaving it playing (with the amp volume off) 24/7 while you have it on loan.

Glad to hear that you are enjoying it!
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Thanks for the advice , and will try to get as many hours on it as possible.
 
I had the X1 at home for a weekend. Liked it a lot and it bettered my S1. I’m thinking about it...:cool:
 
I'm very curious to hear reports from actual users of the X1 after living with it for a while, particularly those who have upgraded from the A1.

I recently bought an A1 and am extremely impressed by its performance. It replaced a Chord DAVE/Blu 2 and I prefer the Lumin even though it is significantly cheaper and based on older (and simpler) DAC technology.

My dealer doesn't have a demo X1 to listen to but I am almost tempted to buy one just to satisfy my curiosity. The only thing stopping me is that I haven't particularly liked any of the Sabre based DACs that I have owned in the past over the long term, and the A1 sounds so good I am wary that the X1 will sound different but not necessarily better.
 
Rossb said:
I'm very curious to hear reports from actual users of the X1 after living with it for a while, particularly those who have upgraded from the A1.

I recently bought an A1 and am extremely impressed by its performance. It replaced a Chord DAVE/Blu 2 and I prefer the Lumin even though it is significantly cheaper and based on older (and simpler) DAC technology.

My dealer doesn't have a demo X1 to listen to but I am almost tempted to buy one just to satisfy my curiosity. The only thing stopping me is that I haven't particularly liked any of the Sabre based DACs that I have owned in the past over the long term, and the A1 sounds so good I am wary that the X1 will sound different but not necessarily better.
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It sounds very different. The A1 is very analog sounding - warts and all. The X1 is more transparent, more 3D, but just as musical.

Shocked you traded the DAVE/Blu2. A1 is great, but the DAVE/Blu2 combo is superb.


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The DAVE/Blu 2 was initially impressive but over time I found I enjoyed it less. There is a slight dryness to the sound of the Chord DAC as well as a flatness to the soundstage. The A1 sounds more liquid, and has a more natural presentation of space. Surprisingly, I even thought it handled transients better than the DAVE/Blu 2. It also helps that I was able to reduce my box count from 5 (DAVE, Blu 2 and SOTM trifecta) to one and a bit (A1 and PSU).
 
Rossb said:
The DAVE/Blu 2 was initially impressive but over time I found I enjoyed it less. There is a slight dryness to the sound of the Chord DAC as well as a flatness to the soundstage. The A1 sounds more liquid, and has a more natural presentation of space. Surprisingly, I even thought it handled transients better than the DAVE/Blu 2. It also helps that I was able to reduce my box count from 5 (DAVE, Blu 2 and SOTM trifecta) to one and a bit (A1 and PSU).
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The box count I understand and appreciate. But the DAVE’s claim to fame is its “3Dness”. So, that’s odd that you found it flat.

“In presenting Dave to a packed house, Watts then explained how he spent a considerable amount of time improving the noise shaper. With daily listening test conducted over a period of many months, Watts discovered how to increase Dave’s presentation of depth perception. (350db/48 bits).”

https://darko.audio/2015/05/chord-electronics-launch-dave-dac-at-munich-high-end-2015/

But glad you’re happy with the Lumin A1. Hey, I was the first to review it and I still love it. But the X1 is better IMO. I have one in the store for demo.


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I kind of understand what Rob Watts means when he talks about depth perception and that 3D effect that people experience with the DAVE. The DAVE sounds bigger than the A1. The A1 sounds smaller and more compact by comparison. The images of the DAVE/Blu 2 are huge and full of detail, but it is like they are projected on to a giant screen. The image is big and has an illusion of depth, but ultimately when I listen to it, I see the flat screen, although I can understand how others see the big images.

If you weren't on the other side of the world, I would love to demo your X1!
 
Rossb said:
I kind of understand what Rob Watts means when he talks about depth perception and that 3D effect that people experience with the DAVE. The DAVE sounds bigger than the A1. The A1 sounds smaller and more compact by comparison. The images of the DAVE/Blu 2 are huge and full of detail, but it is like they are projected on to a giant screen. The image is big and has an illusion of depth, but ultimately when I listen to it, I see the flat screen, although I can understand how others see the big images.

If you weren't on the other side of the world, I would love to demo your X1!
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Sounds good. Good luck with the hunt.


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Never mind....Factory reset on back and it seems to be good!

My new Lumin X1 arrived today. This is my 4th Lumin so it isn't unfamiliar. I have it connected to a Luxman L-509X via both XLR and RCA.

The Luxman is working fine via other devices going into the RCA on back but not when the X1 is connected. The X1 front display shows it is playing both from the Lumin App and from Roon as well as inside the apps themselves.

But I can't get any sound. I have power cycled all of it multiple times. I have looked over and over the X1 options. I can't see anything that might be amiss....but no sound.

Any thoughts......Peter.....anyone?
 
Jack said:
Disconnect one of the sets of cables from the X1 to the Luxman.
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I had each set connected by themselves....but seems the factory reset took care of it.

YAY!

I have only bought used before. Is there a break in period expected on the Lumin?
 
Evo-No-Revo said:
Never mind....Factory reset on back and it seems to be good!

My new Lumin X1 arrived today. This is my 4th Lumin so it isn't unfamiliar. I have it connected to a Luxman L-509X via both XLR and RCA.
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With X1 and T2, audio output needs to be chosen in the setup: analog, SPDIF or USB. As part of the QC process all output modes would be checked. Normally it would be reset back to analog before shipping, but this is complicated by the cached (delayed) nature of data saving. We have been taking steps to avoid this, and added the factory reset function in the Lumin app a few days ago.

Please create a playlist of different sample rates / PCM and DSD, play 7x24 in repeat mode for 2 weeks or more.

Note that connecting both XLR and RCA outputs will degrade the sound quality.
 
Evo-No-Revo said:
I had each set connected by themselves....but seems the factory reset took care of it.

YAY!

I have only bought used before. Is there a break in period expected on the Lumin?
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In my opinion, at least 400 hours. And because the X1 has a very high resolution and a very good stereophonic capability, you'll notice that everything you change / uprade is going to make a big impact on the soundstage, imaging and overall immersive experience: Cables, speaker position, tweaks and in my particular case: Tubes! Wow, so much difference from a tube to another. I bought the Westminster DC cord with the carbon fiber upgrade, but I think a good quality AC power cable has a bit more impact.

As an experimented Lumin user, you might know that a NAS provides speed and a better sound for local files playback.

Btw, the optical network connection is easy to set up and is a must: More soundstage, transparency and no fatigue at all. I highly recommend to use it as a bridge from your modem/router/optic switch electrical circuit to an independent electrical circuit dedicated to your Lumin and amp, avoiding any electric pollutants from the cable company or other devices such as a tv or a home teather receiver.

Enjoy!

Vincent
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Thanks for all the advice. This might sound like a silly question but... Do I need the amp on for the burn in process?
 
Evo-No-Revo said:
Thanks for all the advice. This might sound like a silly question but... Do I need the amp on for the burn in process?
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I don't think so

Home: Focal Scala Utopia, Primaluna HP Premium, Lumin X1

Cottage: Devore Orangutan 0/96, Pathos TT Aniversary, Lumin D1
 
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