Lumin X1

Mrppv said:
Agree with Bud... I can't understand why a NAS would be desirable in any audio system, except for managing massive amounts of files.
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These are my main reasons. YMMV oviously.

1) Moving all unnecessary electrical equipment away from the listening room. A NAS can be in a computer room or storage cupboard, whereas USB is a little more limited. I don't mind using thumb disks when friends come over, but a full HDD with associated power supply makes me twitchy :)

2) RAID. You could run RAID 1 on a 2-disk system or better, RAID 5 on a 3- or 4-disk system to provide data redundancy. It took me an awful long time to rip and obtain my music collection. It's definitely backed up to the cloud and also locally.


Obviously number 2 doesn't matter if your USB drive is always just a copy of data on your computer, but now that we have 4TB drives being the cheapest cost/gigabyte, it can get unwieldy.
 
BlueFox said:
The real question is does the X1 support direct attached USB as does the S1. Some have posted that NAS sounds better. I don’t know, but love my direct attached USB drive. It eliminates one expensive piece of gear, and avoids the entire Ethernet cable issue.
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Agree with the ease of use of a thumb drive for a modest -1Tb music library ( this is what I also do with my Auralic Aries), but... how do you avoid the Ethernet cable ?? You still need the LUMIN to be connected to Internet to stream Tidal or Qobuz, and also to use the iPad app ?
 
bmichels said:
Agree with the ease of use of a thumb drive for a modest -1Tb music library ( this is what I also do with my Auralic Aries), but... how do you avoid the Ethernet cable ?? You still need the LUMIN to be connected to Internet to stream Tidal or Qobuz, and also to use the iPad app ?
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That Ethernet cable does not carry audio files. I don’t stream anything. At least not yet.
 
BlueFox said:
That Ethernet cable does not carry audio files. I don’t stream anything. At least not yet.
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You should. Try MQA streaming from Tidal, even without a MQA capable DAC. If sound quality is acceptable to you, you’d have just expanded your library by ten folds.
 
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Since Tidal, it's infrequent I go back to my own collection. In fact I often think the Tidal rip sounds better than my own rip, and I was extremely careful with ripping (EAC and accurate rip, etc, all to FLAC).
 
Getting me excited. I wonder how much of the firmware is related to the S1? I would hate to have to start discovering all new bugs. :)
 
Re: Lumin X1 Flagship Roon Ready Network Player

wklie said:
The new Lumin X1 Flagship Roon Ready Network Player inherits (almost) all the features from S1 plus many improvements:

Dual ES9038Pro
DSD512
Femto Clock
New output stage
New power supply
Optical network (in addition to copper Ethernet network)
XLR, RCA, BNC-SPDIF, USB audio output (*)

The dynamics, imaging, and tonal quality are all improved from S1.

More details to be shown in the website soon.

* Only one output is active at any time.
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hello

Shall we expect the same level of improvement compared to the U1 or S1 using the digital outputs only ?
Thanks
Alex

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BlueFox said:
Getting me excited. I wonder how much of the firmware is related to the S1? I would hate to have to start discovering all new bugs. :)
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That's hard to quantify, while some parts are shared, there are significant new stuff. I would hate to see your expertise go to waste. :)
 
Re: Lumin X1 Flagship Roon Ready Network Player

moby1977 said:
Shall we expect the same level of improvement compared to the U1 or S1 using the digital outputs only ?
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Although we expect most X1 users to utilize the analog outputs, the digital output (USB and SPDIF) is also improved due to new power supply and electronics.
 
wklie said:
That's hard to quantify, while some parts are shared, there are significant new stuff. I would hate to see your expertise go to waste. :)
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Since I work for free on these issues, it would be a good (great) idea to send me an X1, and let me start debugging it. :)
 
It was previously stated that pricing on the X1 had not yet been finalized, but I see UK dealer Audio Emotion has it listed at £12,000. Note that international distributors have unique arrangements so pricing may vary in other markets.
 
It will be interesting to know how many LUMIN users use their LUMIN as a ROON endpoint instead of using the LUMINB app. I wonder what is the advantage of using ROON. Is it for the added features ? Which sound the best (ROON or LUMIN player) ?
 
I use the Lumin player software and not Roon. I find that the Lumin player works brilliantly - allows me to access and combine into playlists in an intuitive way tracks I stream thru Tidal and tracks stored on my NAS. Having said that, I have voiced some quibbles about the lack of some functionality when it comes to adding tracks to playlists - am not sure if Roon has better functionality. For now, I am happy using the Lumin player software.
 
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I’m using Roon with my Lumin. The Lumin app is superb, but Roon is a much more graphically pleasing option that’s also very fast (especially when combined with a Nucleus +)
 
Some of the features of Roon include rich metadata, DSP for room correction and EQ, upsampling, volume leveling, synchronized playback, etc.
 
For my part, I prefer the Lumin app. In my opinion, using ROON means that the computer participates in the streaming process and that the Tidal tracks or stored high res files (on your NAS or external drive) are not directly read from the Lumin, which, and it's my personnal opinion, results in a loss of sound quality. My idea of having a streamer is to be able to overcome the limits and pollution that a computer implies.

The only thing I'm disappointed with the Lumin app (and with every streamers apps currently on the market) is the inability to use random playback function such as Tidal or Spotify original apps allow: The possibility to start a random radio from an artist or a track, allowing you to discover new artists and tracks that you don't necesserlly own in you files collection. The only way to get it is trough those original apps and airplay which gives a very disappointing sound result. With ROON, no new tracks or new artists neither: The Radio is limited to your own personal playlists/artists or your own Tidal playlists/artists.
 
Roon is certainly a richer graphic experience, as Mike said.

vinci92 makes a good point, though, about having to go back to using a computer--albeit perhaps a highly specialized, dedicated one like the Roon Nucleus.

What I don't like about Roon -- and the reason I mostly use the Lumin app -- is the queue. I was glad when they changed it to a "non-cosumable” queue.

But:
a) when you skip tracks it collapses all the skipped tracks, then you have to click to expand again, which to me is a bit goofy
b) it takes several actions to delete an entire album (highlight every track, then a couple of more clicks, as opposed to a simple swipe and tap on the album heading on the Lumin app)
c) you can only see about 5 tracks at a time in the Roon queue--not even an entire album at once
 
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