Lumin P-1 arrives tomorrow
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I found that the P1 to be a very good Renderer (when used without the internal DAC) and a extremely good Player (with internal DAC)…. But I was less impressed with the digital volume control Leedh. Don’t get me wrong: it is really good in absolute terms and excellent value for money but just not at the same level as a good analog preamp. So any comparison will depend on the preamp or digital volume control used.
But I found the same with the volume control of my TAD D1000 MKII or of my previous DCS combo, so my comment is not Lumin specific.
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thingswelike
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Sorry, missed this.
If you want to see photos of the black model, there are some good ones in these 3 reviews:
「LUMIN P1」＆「LUMIN AMP」はホームオーディオの音質を格段に向上させる。コンパクトで美しいデザインで、ネットワークからHDMI機器まで高品位に楽しませてくれた - Stereo Sound ONLINE
Lumin P1: Test Netzwerkplayer, DAC & Vorstufe | fairaudio
LUMIN P1 | Audiotechnique
Re: HDMI. Yes exactly. It acts as a source switcher, routing audio to your amplifier and video to your TV.
Because it supports HDMI ARC, audio from your TV also gets routed to your amplifier.
All of this is limited to Stereo 2.0
If the Apple TV is set to output Stereo PCM, then you can have P1 analog output for the Apple TV signal. Since the same signal is also passed to the TV, you may want to mute the TV in this case.
Alternatively, if the Apple TV outputs surround, then P1 can (only) function as a HDMI switch to passthrough the surround signal to the TV, without doing analog output via P1 internal DAC.
No Quarter
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Hello everyone, new member here that is thinking about purchasing a P1.
My system is Khama DB 7’s driven by a Nagra integrated.
My source is currently an Ifi Zen stream into a Musical Fidelity MX Dac, both streamer and Dac have an S-booster power supply.
I previously owned Naim gear,Cary audio gear among others.
I have owned quite a few Dynaudio speakers,Sopra 1’s, Paradigm back in the day.
I was using a Naim Nd5xs2 into a Chord Mscaler/TT2 as my source last year,but traded that all in to fund the DB7’s.
Now I am ready to upgrade the source again, so I am thinking a P1 ticks all the boxes. Another possibility I was thinking about is an Innous Zenith into a stand alone Dac.
Currently I am home demoing a Saturn 201 Dac fed by my Ifi Zen stream.
Hopefully I can make my mind up which direction to go with the help of forum members here.
I have not heard the P1 yet, but a dealer near Toronto has one that I can demo/purchase. The problem is, that is a 4 hour drive one way.
Any advice would be very much appreciated,
or just info on the P1 in general.
My system is Khama DB 7’s driven by a Nagra integrated.
My source is currently an Ifi Zen stream into a Musical Fidelity MX Dac, both streamer and Dac have an S-booster power supply.
I previously owned Naim gear,Cary audio gear among others.
I have owned quite a few Dynaudio speakers,Sopra 1’s, Paradigm back in the day.
I was using a Naim Nd5xs2 into a Chord Mscaler/TT2 as my source last year,but traded that all in to fund the DB7’s.
Now I am ready to upgrade the source again, so I am thinking a P1 ticks all the boxes. Another possibility I was thinking about is an Innous Zenith into a stand alone Dac.
Currently I am home demoing a Saturn 201 Dac fed by my Ifi Zen stream.
Hopefully I can make my mind up which direction to go with the help of forum members here.
I have not heard the P1 yet, but a dealer near Toronto has one that I can demo/purchase. The problem is, that is a 4 hour drive one way.
Any advice would be very much appreciated,
or just info on the P1 in general.
No Quarter
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I would actually use the inputs for my Xbox, blue ray player, and media player I have.
At one time I had a full 7.2 home theatre, when I was in a house,but I dismantled all that when I moved to my current apartment building.
The room is 13.5 feet wide x15.5 feet deep, and I can no longer crank up the volume.
Looking for a great sounding simple system without stacks of boxes and wires.
Besides, the P1 is the limit of my budget.
The dealer who has it actually recommended I wait for the upcoming T3 because I already have a pre amp in the Nagra.
At one time I had a full 7.2 home theatre, when I was in a house,but I dismantled all that when I moved to my current apartment building.
The room is 13.5 feet wide x15.5 feet deep, and I can no longer crank up the volume.
Looking for a great sounding simple system without stacks of boxes and wires.
Besides, the P1 is the limit of my budget.
The dealer who has it actually recommended I wait for the upcoming T3 because I already have a pre amp in the Nagra.
Elztalbiker
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Take the sweetspot Lumin P1
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No Quarter
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Hi guys, I installed my new Lumin P1 yesterday, fresh out of the box it sounds very good.
I was up and running within 20 minutes. Now I need to figure out what all the little icons in the App do, find optimal settings etc.
Is there a more detailed manual available online somewhere?
Right now I have the volume at 100% on the Lumin, and have been controlling the volume with my Nagra integrated. Does this sound like the best way? I think I have Leedh processing enabled, but I am not sure about anything yet, need to dig in deeper to this App.
I have radio paradise playing to get run time on it, but I notice even Tidal sounds better than the radio so far. I also inserted a thumb drive in the back of the P1 with some music, and was able to play that.
I have Roon Core set up on my Laptop too, but have not tried that yet.
So far, I love this thing.
I was up and running within 20 minutes. Now I need to figure out what all the little icons in the App do, find optimal settings etc.
Is there a more detailed manual available online somewhere?
Right now I have the volume at 100% on the Lumin, and have been controlling the volume with my Nagra integrated. Does this sound like the best way? I think I have Leedh processing enabled, but I am not sure about anything yet, need to dig in deeper to this App.
I have radio paradise playing to get run time on it, but I notice even Tidal sounds better than the radio so far. I also inserted a thumb drive in the back of the P1 with some music, and was able to play that.
I have Roon Core set up on my Laptop too, but have not tried that yet.
So far, I love this thing.
Congrats on the P1. Great sounding unit. Very flexible too.
LUMIN online manual
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No Quarter
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Thanks guys, I will take a look at that link to the manual Mike, much appreciated.
No Quarter
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I read through the online manual that Mike provided the link to.
Lots of info there, so I think I have all the settings correct. I noticed today that an update was available (15), so I hit ok and it downloaded I think.
So I did a little experimenting today, I managed to get Tidal connect to work.
Also I was able to set the P1 as my endpoint in Roon ( on my laptop),opened the Roon App and everything is working. I was expecting a drop in sound quality using Roon, but did not notice one.
This is not even the exclusive mode that was just announced.
I leave the P1 playing 24/7, trying to get a few hundred hours on it before any critical listening.
So far it is living up to the Hype for sure.
Lots of info there, so I think I have all the settings correct. I noticed today that an update was available (15), so I hit ok and it downloaded I think.
So I did a little experimenting today, I managed to get Tidal connect to work.
Also I was able to set the P1 as my endpoint in Roon ( on my laptop),opened the Roon App and everything is working. I was expecting a drop in sound quality using Roon, but did not notice one.
This is not even the exclusive mode that was just announced.
I leave the P1 playing 24/7, trying to get a few hundred hours on it before any critical listening.
So far it is living up to the Hype for sure.
No Quarter
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I now have close to 250 hours on my P1. I decided to upgrade my Tidal account to Hifi Plus to give MQA a try. At work right now but will have a listen tomorrow to see if I hear an upgrade 
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Of all the Lumin threads on here, I did not find any discussion about MQA on the P1. Is it a waste of time/money?
I think I have MQA enabled in settings, does it show up somewhere on the screen or in the App if it is actually doing the full unfold?
Sorry for all the newbie questions, but I have never owned an MQA capable device. I also wonder if it would be better to use Tidal connect,Roon, or the Lumin App to get the best MQA sound?
*Of all the Lumin threads on here, I did not find any discussion about MQA on the P1. Is it a waste of time/money?
I think I have MQA enabled in settings, does it show up somewhere on the screen or in the App if it is actually doing the full unfold?
Sorry for all the newbie questions, but I have never owned an MQA capable device. I also wonder if it would be better to use Tidal connect,Roon, or the Lumin App to get the best MQA sound?
Imo use the Lumin app for best sound. If the P1 options menu is like the X1 you should have a "MQA Mode" setting, I think set it to Analog Out (but I'm not 100% sure, it's been a while since I had Tidal).
I think there is little doubt you will hear something different/probably better. Anyway, trust your own ears.
I think there is little doubt you will hear something different/probably better. Anyway, trust your own ears.
No Quarter
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Thanks for the quick reply jmusica. That MQA mode setting sounds familiar, I will check that it is set to Analog out.
I will trust my ears, despite all the MQA bashing I read about, it must be an option for a reason, I would think.
I still want to try Amp direct, optical input and MQA…not even tried any HDMI inputs/outputs yet either.
So many options with this P1.
I will trust my ears, despite all the MQA bashing I read about, it must be an option for a reason, I would think.
I still want to try Amp direct, optical input and MQA…not even tried any HDMI inputs/outputs yet either.
So many options with this P1.
You may either use Lumin app or Tidal app (Tidal Connect), depending on which user interface you like more.
If you use Tidal app, make sure you set the Quality - Streaming - WiFi to Master.
See if you can find an album that exists both in Master and non-Master versions. Let me know which sounds better to you.
On the Lumin front panel, if you see MQA and if you're listening to Lumin analog output (instead of SPDIF or USB output), you're getting MQA Full Decoding.
If you use Tidal app, make sure you set the Quality - Streaming - WiFi to Master.
See if you can find an album that exists both in Master and non-Master versions. Let me know which sounds better to you.
On the Lumin front panel, if you see MQA and if you're listening to Lumin analog output (instead of SPDIF or USB output), you're getting MQA Full Decoding.
In my opinion the LUMIN app is superior to Roon and whist MQA is ‘different’, it sounds to my ear like someone has left the loudness switch on so, after using it for a while, I stopped using it.
Also, there used to be a choice of Hi Res or MQA but now many recordings only have MQA available so it’s a non too subtle conversion system over to MQA - hence I use Qobuz now.
No Quarter
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Thanks for the reply Peter, I am home now and have been listening to MQA for a couple of hours now.
First impression is quite good, it feels more like I am in the room with the artist.
I see the little MQA on the front panel and also see the squiggly line in the App next to the song I am playing.
Also at the top left of the page in the App, next to the picture of the Album cover, I noticed higher KHz and bit rate numbers.
Currently listening to Etta James 192 KHz 24 Bit, so I think I have it.
I am still trying to figure out how to play more than one song at a time, need to study that online manual closer.
I will say, so far some songs still sound better than others, it is not a universal MQA is better across the board.
Back to the listening, might give the Tidal connect a try now.
Thanks again