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I agree. I know I'm an idiot, have no problem admitting it and some of the best gear I have purchased are those I have never heard!! In this case, I didn't see I had a "choice" in the matter other than to part with some serious $$$ as the alternative was to keep a spectacular end of the line product and spend the money on dumb things like mortgage, car and education payments. So like all good audiophiles, I made the right decision by rationalizing why I HAD TO buy this absurdly expensive "current" product without a demo.

I chose not to get the renderer as yet as a new one will soon be coming out that does ROON. So my unit is coming with the QUAD USB MQA module.

Are you using the Select without a preamp? I have an ARC REF10 now which I am probably going to sell based on everyone's experience with the preamp section of the Select to help "finance" my "deal"

As to the Analog, that is where I began years ago. I had a EMM DAC2X and decided to try the Analog to compare it as my dealer was taking on the MSB line. I was hooked immediately. I had it on loan for 30 days until my dealer got a Diamond Plus IV+ and out went the Analog. I haven't found a DAC I enjoy more than the IV-->V and am sure I will love the Select.

This will be another one of those products I tell my wife "Oh it was just a few bucks for the upgrade". She just shakes her head now and ignores me. Better that way.

Hahahah great story :)

The Renderer will be upgraded with Roon indeed, last I heard mid-2017...

As for the preamp situation, we've compared it against $40k tube preamps with another few k extra in NOS tubes... And the SELECT was better, *as a preamp*. The beauty of it is that the DAC modules are directly driving the amps (no buffer, no extra gain stage, nothing), but there lies the only caveat as well, since you're limited in terms of overall gain. In very large rooms, with fairly inneficient speakers and/or low gain amps, it's easy to max out the volume control on the SELECT.

But in 99% of the time/situations, the SELECT's preamp stage was better, clearer, more transparent, and not lacking in bloom and presence, which is what normally happens when you go with DAC direct to amps, at least with other brands.

You're in for a bigger jump than you've ever experienced, my frend :) Bigger than Analog ->IV or IV->V.

I can't wait to hear the new MSB Reference, as it uses the same architecture as the SELECT (down to the same modules!), with 4 instead of 8 DAC modules, and a preamp gain stage (as the 4 modules won't drive an amp directly). Still, should be "up there"!


cheers,
Alex
 
Hahhaha this sounds soooo familiar :D

Funny thing is the one time she questioned me was when I was replacing my REF250's for the REF75. But I didn't let her down when the GS150 came out and, "for a few bucks" changed out the REF75 for the GS150. The one I had a hard time with was when 4 years ago when I traded out my NOLA Baby Grands for the Concert Grands. She shook her head more than usual.
 
Funny thing is the one time she questioned me was when I was replacing my REF250's for the REF75. But I didn't let her down when the GS150 came out and, "for a few bucks" changed out the REF75 for the GS150. The one I had a hard time with was when 4 years ago when I traded out my NOLA Baby Grands for the Concert Grands. She shook her head more than usual.
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I did not rate the Select 1, but the 2 is a very different animal. You will likey!
 
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I did not rate the Select 1, but the 2 is a very different animal. You will likey!

The Select 1 was basically the V. Despite MSB trying to "please" people with their new program it wasn't rolled in the best manner and the way it was marketed to people was that it was a step up from the Diamond Plus with "hand selected parts".

As it turned out the all new Select II was brought out pretty quickly for an extra 10k and from what I understand they upgraded Select I people to Select II.

In any case I'm really looking forward to it.
 
I tried to get a listen to the TotalDAC, but the jerk from Voxativ wouldn't play it. I must have went to that room 6 times and asked very nicely. He was so rude. No explanation, just "NO!" every time. I definitely won't be recommending any Voxativ products to anyone. His room sucked anyway.


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The Select II is really an assault on SOTA digital. I remember hearing the Select I on Quad's. OMG. It was incredible. The Select II raises the bar.


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I agree. I know I'm an idiot, have no problem admitting it and some of the best gear I have purchased are those I have never heard!! In this case, I didn't see I had a "choice" in the matter other than to part with some serious $$$ as the alternative was to keep a spectacular end of the line product and spend the money on dumb things like mortgage, car and education payments. So like all good audiophiles, I made the right decision by rationalizing why I HAD TO buy this absurdly expensive "current" product without a demo.

I chose not to get the renderer as yet as a new one will soon be coming out that does ROON. So my unit is coming with the QUAD USB MQA module.

Are you using the Select without a preamp? I have an ARC REF10 now which I am probably going to sell based on everyone's experience with the preamp section of the Select to help "finance" my "deal"

As to the Analog, that is where I began years ago. I had a EMM DAC2X and decided to try the Analog to compare it as my dealer was taking on the MSB line. I was hooked immediately. I had it on loan for 30 days until my dealer got a Diamond Plus IV+ and out went the Analog. I haven't found a DAC I enjoy more than the IV-->V and am sure I will love the Select.

This will be another one of those products I tell my wife "Oh it was just a few bucks for the upgrade". She just shakes her head now and ignores me. Better that way.

Congrats on your purchase! After listening to the MSB Select DAC for hours at Axpona, I am quite envious. Will you eventually get the MSB Class A mono amps because they sounded wonderful too. It will be hard to let go of your Ref 10 preamp (I own one too), even if it might be the right thing to do. It is one of my favorite components in my system.

Best,
Ken
 
I tried to get a listen to the TotalDAC, but the jerk from Voxativ wouldn't play it. I must have went to that room 6 times and asked very nicely. He was so rude. No explanation, just "NO!" every time. I definitely won't be recommending any Voxativ products to anyone. His room sucked anyway.


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The German guy with the ponytail (Adler)? If so, I will link you with the way I got to play TWO albums from his setup once. A worlds first, I was told!!!!
 
The German guy with the ponytail (Adler)? If so, I will link you with the way I got to play TWO albums from his setup once. A worlds first, I was told!!!!

Yes. I've already spoken to the owner of TotalDAC about it. He's been in dispute with the Voxativ guy and has been for two years. I can see why.


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Congrats on your purchase! After listening to the MSB Select DAC for hours at Axpona, I am quite envious. Will you eventually get the MSB Class A mono amps because they sounded wonderful too. It will be hard to let go of your Ref 10 preamp (I own one too), even if it might be the right thing to do. It is one of my favorite components in my system.

Best,
Ken

So many people like the MSB amps that I may get Vince to send me a pair for demo. However, my speakers which are the Nola Concert Grands really like tubes. I have tried some SS including Constellation and I still haven't heard a SS amp that sounds better with these speakers. Carl uses tubes and ARC in particular to sound his speakers.

But nothing is written in stone so I may give them a demo. Right now I am using a GS150 which works wonders with the NOLA Concert Grand Gold
 
So many people like the MSB amps that I may get Vince to send me a pair for demo. However, my speakers which are the Nola Concert Grands really like tubes. I have tried some SS including Constellation and I still haven't heard a SS amp that sounds better with these speakers. Carl uses tubes and ARC in particular to sound his speakers.

But nothing is written in stone so I may give them a demo. Right now I am using a GS150 which works wonders with the NOLA Concert Grand Gold

I also love ARC gear and have two of their components in my system. The MSB mono amps are definitely worthy of an in-home demo. I want to also add that MSB's universal transport (CD, SACD & Blu-ray) and power supply sounded terrific feeding the MSB Select DAC.

Best,
Ken
 
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