Lampizator Golden Gate
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Norman, I know HQP is widely adored as an "on the fly" converter/upsampling program which Saracon does not do. I am looking for file creation which Saracon does very well but HQplayer does not do (that I am aware of) as it is an on-the-fly program. I believe for file creation Saracon is as good as it gets unless you go to studio level custom filters. It is widely used by the pros for this purpose and Daniel has a well thought out aliasing filter philosophy. This part of the equation can all be dialed in and will change with time.
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The larger point IMO is that no PC at any price regardless of the mods will compete with the SQ of the purpose built approach used by Jesus to minimize processing activity and isolate the outputs in the Sonore. A PC by definition must have the horse power to run an OS and whatever programs you have running which create noise. It sends out decoded digital on a usb which while vastly improved over the years is still a device never intended to be used as an audiophile output. USB packets create noise on the receiving DACS power distribution network that does not exist in i2s. I am not aware of a superior way (from a strict SQ standpoint) to take coded digital off ethernet, decode it and send it to a dac than the Sonore regardless of convenience or price.
Chris Connaker says its as good or better than his $15,000 Aurender W20 perhaps the most modded PC on the planet. So let me get this straight..... On paper the science of the Sonore's design is hard to challenge. In practice the smartest PC guy on the planet rates it as good or better than the best PC's at any price. For $2900 it's hard to see a problem.
I could see the not to distant future bringing devices that combine Jesus's approach to silent decoding and Lukasz's approach to raw dsd playback into a single system that sets the new digital standard. PC's (for music), PCM and multi-bit dac chips will be relegated to museum pieces.
As always, I could be completely wrong but if so help me out as to where.
Jason Race of CA is trying to arrange a 1m optical USB cable with another manufacturer….
Daniel is not really a DSD lover. Saracon has a good rep, but I would put Miskas filter over his any day. Miska lives and breathes this stuff. Total computer geekiness factor and determined as hell.
I disagree with SOME of this, but too much to get into here.
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recommends SARACON for DSD conversion.
FWIW, the Super Audio Center recommends Saracon for DSD conversion. I would love to A/B the two programs. In any case, I do not believe you can run HQplayer on a PC and send it to the Rendu Sig. HQP's protocol can only see a Network Audio Adapter and The Sig Rendu is a DLNA so the point is moot at this time. I have not seen that HQP can store files to a NAS that could see a DLAN rather it can only play HQP on the fly.
FWIW, what some of the pros think about Saracon:
Quotes from Professional Mastering Engineers
“Saracon is not onlythe world’s best audio sample rate converter (cross-platform!). It’s also agreat batch re-namer, format converter, interleaver, de-interleaver,word-length reducer and all-round utility tool!”
Bob Katz, Digital Domain, USA
“Again, many thanksfor this great conversion software. We love it! And it is a big help for the SA-CD format.”
Gus Skinas, Super Audio Center LLC, USA
“I use the SARACONMac daily and WOW! It’s 16× faster than real time to do conversion with the MacQuad G5. It is both stunning in mastering workflow and sound quality.”
Kent Poon, Design w Sound, Hong Kong
“Saracon is not just the most transparent SRC available, it is also the one with the most natural dynamics and spatial depth preservation. I have tried many other software SRCs and none gets even close to Saracon for quality.”
I am absolutely thrilled at the speed of the new Intel version of Saracon, definitely a must-have tool for me at this point, thanks again for such great piece of software.”
Alvaro Balana, Impact Mastering, Spain
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Well if you put it that way......:lol:
Paul, I am not debating whether Saracon is the best SRC for offline work, I am contending that its inferior to Miska's latest filters in SQ. Saracon design is older than those of Miska who releases updates almost bi-weekly.
Miska seems to have really mastered the art of upconversion and is TOTALLY dedicated to DSD.
Anyway, i am sure both are great but offline is PITA setup and fixed, while upconversion OTF leaves scope for using better filter development as the come on stream.
In any case, the decision must be yours and it must be what you are most comfortable with. You will ultimately be fine anyway you go...
Miska seems to have really mastered the art of upconversion and is TOTALLY dedicated to DSD.
Anyway, i am sure both are great but offline is PITA setup and fixed, while upconversion OTF leaves scope for using better filter development as the come on stream.
In any case, the decision must be yours and it must be what you are most comfortable with. You will ultimately be fine anyway you go...
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Yes, I understand Norman. Thanks.
I do wish the Sig Rendu could behave as a Network Audio Adapter allowing it to receive on the fly HQP streams.
I do wish the Sig Rendu could behave as a Network Audio Adapter allowing it to receive on the fly HQP streams.
I have yet to hear upsampled pcm as better to me. It's not dsd and it's not PCM it's something different and less dynamic and softer. I like the bite of PCM. I am used to that music that way. It's also mood cashing for me.
I have lost count of the ways I have tried it. Only thing left is hq player and as a player it's below jplay and j River by a margin. So why try.
The only up sampling that actually was ok but still not for me is my msb. But I just do not do it. It's a fascination that I just do not get.
Al
I have lost count of the ways I have tried it. Only thing left is hq player and as a player it's below jplay and j River by a margin. So why try.
The only up sampling that actually was ok but still not for me is my msb. But I just do not do it. It's a fascination that I just do not get.
Al
Upsampling is a different engine in HQP. Also, HQP is loaded with parameters, so make sure your get playback setup right…not as easy as the J's.
Give it a whirl and report back. You now have DSD256 capability, so the perfect test case. Paul is waiting on YOU! LoL
Give it a whirl and report back. You now have DSD256 capability, so the perfect test case. Paul is waiting on YOU! LoL
Today I walked about 12 miles in NYC doing my payroll rounds. Trains galor. I come home and there is a box at my entrance. It's my long awaited lampi head dac.
Weiry from the day. I still had to unpac and try.
It's playing through my woo wa5. Right now. It's a big 7 as my other but it now has the new dsd 256 digital board
I have not used my lampi in about a week or so. Hair cause I am testing the DS and pike woth jplay. And going form the DS to a lampi is just not good. First up. Wow this is really good it has a wholesome sound that's just right there feel. I'll be posting on other sites but I do plan to post here as well. If ok I'll start a head dac thread.
And mike I have the globes in the dac HAHAHHAA
Weiry from the day. I still had to unpac and try.
It's playing through my woo wa5. Right now. It's a big 7 as my other but it now has the new dsd 256 digital board
I have not used my lampi in about a week or so. Hair cause I am testing the DS and pike woth jplay. And going form the DS to a lampi is just not good. First up. Wow this is really good it has a wholesome sound that's just right there feel. I'll be posting on other sites but I do plan to post here as well. If ok I'll start a head dac thread.
And mike I have the globes in the dac HAHAHHAA
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