Lampizator Big 7 has landed

Mike, you are always looking out for me. Thanks!!

Let me do some more homework with the Lampi folks and take a closer look at the SSR. I don't want to necessarily be the first adopter of i2s technology with Lampi but maybe it is no big deal. Stay tunes my friend.
 
Mike, you are always looking out for me. Thanks!!

Let me do some more homework with the Lampi folks and take a closer look at the SSR. I don't want to necessarily be the first adopter of i2s technology with Lampi but maybe it is no big deal. Stay tunes my friend.

Will do.


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I am of the same opinion.

As for the USB in a quality CAPs build, people are using Paul Pang USB boards and claim excellent performance. The Regen device for $175 from uptone Audion will be available early April and promises to lift the USB performance another notch too.

As for the use of the term NATIVE, I dont condone it as for me NATIVE is how the DSD signal is processed inside the Dac, not the way its delivered from the transport. The former is exceedingly important while the latter is a ho-hum and cause people to focus on the WRONG aspect of the DSD handling chain. I see Dacs claiming to handle DSD natively when the directly convert to PCM, and its readily apparent as they use chips that cant decode DSD like the BB1704, for example.

Very helpful
 
If that is the case then the Sonore Sig Rendu running via i2S would be conceptually better.

Lukasz could develop such an inteface if he had a demo unit. You bypass USB issues and block ethernet crud with a proper Ethernet to i2s conversion. Check the SSR thread for techie details. SSR costs $3K and is pretty minimalistic. I suspect better internal components than Aurender too.

I have now read a great deal about what Jesus and his team are doing; impressive. So if Lukasz could do the i2s in the GG, do you think: 1) the i2s input on a GG Lampi would be done by Lukasz at a level of performance on par with what the SSR is providing; and 2) this connection would be significantly better than a USB connection?
 
Paul, I am not sure what you are asking here. A compatible i2s port is just that, so point 1 has no meaning. It is either compatible or not and it would be the SSR that determines the quality as it is the transport. SSR uses the PS Audio HDMI LVDS i2s standard, ie LVDS protocal for i2s and PSA HDMI pinout which I alredy posted at the SSR thread.

Lukasz told me (when I asked a month ago) he has done it for PCM and knows that it works, but recall that the B7 is 2 "Dacs" in one box, PCM and DSD. He would need an actual unit to develop the DSD aspect of the HDMI port...to ensure flawless working and no clicks/pops either. One thing is the excange of specs, but another is a love unit to test all aspects of implementation. I would imagine that the single HDMI port could handle both (Lampi chipless) DSD and PCM...perhaps needing a switch. In any case, this HDMI receiver would shunt pure i2s data stream to the appropriate place in the Dac. i2s is the "native" internal language of Dacs.

Theoretically for all Dacs, the i2s cannot be inferior to USB, as it does not have the same baggage of the packetized USB data stream. The SSR has a bespoke conversion process that changes ethernet Data to i2s while blocking all the incoming crud and without creating new noise and thus true galvanic isolation is assured. In practice, the proof in the pudding is in the eating. i would expect that the SSR feeding DSD to the Lampi will way outperform the DS Dac, based on what I heard a year ago. Yes the DS is much improved in DS vs a year ago, but the gap was soooo wide, I still expect quite a distance between them (also based on the undesirable processing of DSD in the DS Dac). Also, the Lampi DSD has been a bit improved as well in the interim. JMHO
 
Paul, I am not sure what you are asking here. A compatible i2s port is just that, so point 1 has no meaning. It is either compatible or not and it would be the SSR that determines the quality as it is the transport. SSR uses the PS Audio HDMI LVDS i2s standard, ie LVDS protocal for i2s and PSA HDMI pinout which I alredy posted at the SSR thread.

Lukasz told me (when I asked a month ago) he has done it for PCM and knows that it works, but recall that the B7 is 2 "Dacs" in one box, PCM and DSD. He would need an actual unit to develop the DSD aspect of the HDMI port...to ensure flawless working and no clicks/pops either. One thing is the excange of specs, but another is a love unit to test all aspects of implementation. I would imagine that the single HDMI port could handle both (Lampi chipless) DSD and PCM...perhaps needing a switch. In any case, this HDMI receiver would shunt pure i2s data stream to the appropriate place in the Dac. i2s is the "native" internal language of Dacs.

Theoretically for all Dacs, the i2s cannot be inferior to USB, as it does not have the same baggage of the packetized USB data stream. The SSR has a bespoke conversion process that changes ethernet Data to i2s while blocking all the incoming crud and without creating new noise and thus true galvanic isolation is assured. In practice, the proof in the pudding is in the eating. i would expect that the SSR feeding DSD to the Lampi will way outperform the DS Dac, based on what I heard a year ago. Yes the DS is much improved in DS vs a year ago, but the gap was soooo wide, I still expect quite a distance between them (also based on the undesirable processing of DSD in the DS Dac). Also, the Lampi DSD has been a bit improved as well in the interim. JMHO

Thanks Norman. The first bold above answers my first question and the second bold above answers my second. In essence I will restate them this way:

1) The receiving input of an i2s has little to do with SQ if a quality connector is used and the necessary engineering is done to achieve flawless performance.

2) Theoretically all i2s is superior to usb; they are both asynchronous (unlike spidf) but usb has inherent baggage in the form of data stream that has marginal negative effects on sq.

If that is essentially correct I think I get it. Thanks again.

Unfortunately I just heard from my Lampi rep Lucasz is too busy to accommodate an i2s input at this time. :(
 
Paul,

Yes, I agree with your summary.

Luk may be too busy NOW, but later on, it should be OK. I battled hard with Jesus to send him a demo unit weeks ago when its was a bit less busy for him, but I cant force anyone to do anything. I can only suggest.

As the French say…tant pis.
 
Paul,

Yes, I agree with your summary.

Luk may be too busy NOW, but later on, it should be OK. I battled hard with Jesus to send him a demo unit weeks ago when its was a bit less busy for him, but I cant force anyone to do anything. I can only suggest.

As the French say…tant pis.

Norman, You have truly been a wonderful resource for me. Would I be correct that the SSR could receive streaming dsd 128 (or 256 with future firmware upgrades) from an Apple MacBook Pro playing HQPlayer on the fly without suffering the normal sonic degradation a MacBook would cause given the extreme isolation of the signal coming out of the SSD?

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Paul, while I am sure the SSR can play up to DSD8x (even though undocumented----inside info, wink, wink) I am not sure it can be fed with anything else other than Ethernet data (say from NAS), so not sure if a MBP can push data to the SSR. In any case, forget about Mac for higher than DSD2x as Core Audio cant deal with that. Only when you bypass Core Audio with a bespoke Asio (Steinberg) driver like Exasound, can Mac do the very highest rates of DSD. Windows is the way to go for very elevated rates.

My advise would be to email Jesus and ask him what are the definitive methods for feeding the SSR. I think it is limited to a smart NAS.
 
What about the Aries?

I will get one and see if it can be Lampizated! :-)
Digi-Lamp+no hold br built in LPSU and solid metal chassis with wifi Antenna wires.

Lumin upsamples to DSD128 and Adam and the ultimatists want DSD256.

Paul, while I am sure the SSR can play up to DSD8x (even though undocumented----inside info, wink, wink) I am not sure it can be fed with anything else other than Ethernet data (say from NAS), so not sure if a MBP can push data to the SSR. In any case, forget about Mac for higher than DSD2x as Core Audio cant deal with that. Only when you bypass Core Audio with a bespoke Asio (Steinberg) driver like Exasound, can Mac do the very highest rates of DSD. Windows is the way to go for very elevated rates.

My advise would be to email Jesus and ask him what are the definitive methods for feeding the SSR. I think it is limited to a smart NAS.

Again, very helpful...THANKS.
 
Gear swapper? Not me.

I dont swap a really good thing. Peeps like Bruce Brown, Elberoth and AudioCrack agree with my taste and they have been around the block. That is gratifying in the extreme.

The stuff Audiocrack has is absolutely astounding. Lets just say that some super digital stacks starting with Za and dC made way for the GG Dac.
 
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