Kaiser Kawero or Raidho D3 or Vivid Giya G2?

I missed hearing that combo. Those speakers do have some magical qualities that escape many others.

+1 With certain music, the sound is revelatory. Two discs that come to mind, Telarc - Copland: Rodeo & Appalachian Spring, and Capital - Classic Sinatra: Someone to Watch Over Me & In the Wee Small Hours of the Morning. I forgot I was listening to loudspeakers.
 
No reason other than I wanted to try some other gear and I still have my eye on the D5's. I would have them today, but my family room is complicated due to a pathway leading to bedrooms/office. The D5's would have to be too far out into the room.

Upstairs, they caused me no end of frustration. The D1's, D3 v1's and D3 v2's all were boom-boom city....no matter what amp, what cables, etc.

They really load the room, so the speaker/room interaction is HUGE.

That being said, the Raidho's were certainly not the only speaker to cause bass problems in my main room.

But generally speaking, the Raidho's are like the proverbial trophy wife. They take require a lot of attention....but when they're right, they pay huge dividends.


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Thanks for your response, Mike. Do you think you would dip your toe in the water again if Raidho came out with a D4? Basically a D5 with the top two woofers and top bass port chopped off. I think the 6 inch woofers and front bass port reduce bass issues.

Ken
 
Thanks for your response, Mike. Do you think you would dip your toe in the water again if Raidho came out with a D4? Basically a D5 with the top two woofers and top bass port chopped off. I think the 6 inch woofers and front bass port reduce bass issues.

Ken

I MIGHT and what you mention is a real possibility (shhhh....)

But I've owned three pairs of Raidho's. They all had periods of magic followed by periods of frustration. Mark, Jock and myself, with a LOT of help from David worked harder than anyone else to tame these babies. We learned a lot - the hard way.

I would be a little hesitant to do so because of the challenges encountered. Keep in mind, the two pairs of D5's I heard did not have any speaker/room issues. The D5's amaze like few others. But that being said, Raidho with the Devilaet SAM technology could push me over the edge and see me owning a pair one day again. I have yet to hear Raidho's with Devialet SAM, but if its as affective as some are saying, I wouldn't tackle them again with out it.


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I MIGHT and what you mention is a real possibility (shhhh....)

But I've owned three pairs of Raidho's. They all had periods of magic followed by periods of frustration. Mark, Jock and myself, with a LOT of help from David worked harder than anyone else to tame these babies. We learned a lot - the hard way.

I would be a little hesitant to do so because of the challenges encountered. Keep in mind, the two pairs of D5's I heard did not have any speaker/room issues. They just amaze like few others. But that being said, Raidho with the Devilaet SAM technology could push me over the edge and see me owning a pair one day again. I have yet to hear Raidho's with Devialet SAM, but if its as affective as some are saying, I wouldn't tackle them again with out it.


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Mike,

From what I've read, Raidho has appeared to solve all bass issues with the D5. I've read no complaints about excessive or boomy bass. IMO, three things have solved the problem: six inch woofers, front bass ports and a ground up redesign of the rear baffle system.

Ken
 
You're exactly right Ken. The D5's are a big step up from the C4.1's. I've heard both. The D5's, like MBL 101 Xtremes leave you walking away scratching your head wondering how it could get any better. They are one of the greatest speakers I've ever heard. I heard D5's with Soulution, Accuphase and D'Agostino. They all sounded great.


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You're exactly right Ken. The D5's are a big step up from the C4.1's. I've heard both. The D5's, like MBL 101 Xtremes leave you walking away scratching your head wondering how it could get any better. They are one of the greatest speakers I've ever heard. I heard D5's with Soulution, Accuphase and D'Agostino. They all sounded great.


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Man, would I love to hook some Raidho D3's up to my Soulution 501's. But I have to admit, even with the proper tweaks, I do still fear having boomy bass in my room. I don't think I would have any concerns if they came out with a D4. But that speaker would probably be out of my price range.

Ken
 
Ken - if there was any way - any way - you could swing the D5's (a pair just reportedly just sold on Audiogon for under $90,000), you would be on cloud 9.

But aside from that, I do understand your concerns.

Soulution 501's are amazing sounding amps. I love the footprint too!

And let's not forget, you already have some pretty darn good speakers now!


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+1.

I believe MEP earlier hinted that he had not listened to Raidho speakers and that his opinion was simply a synoptic regurgitation of the opinions of others. One can only hope that he employs a somewhat different method to constructing his own system. :sigh:

Actually I think (hope) MEP just likes to bug us Raidho guys for the fun of it cuz he knows we are the sensitive type. On the other hand maybe he is still upset Nola ran out of wood when they were making his KO's.

:roflmao:
 
Ken - if there was any way - any way - you could swing the D5's (a pair just reportedly just sold on Audiogon for under $90,000), you would be on cloud 9.

But aside from that, I do understand your concerns.

Soulution 501's are amazing sounding amps. I love the footprint too!

And let's not forget, you already have some pretty darn good speakers now!


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Mike,

I wish I could but no chance. The Salon 2's are sounding marvelous with the 501's. Very pure and neutral (just a hint of warmth) with tremendous speed and bass control. My wife says they are perfection and I'd be crazy to change them. She thinks I should get the 520 preamp and be done with it. We'll see. :)

Ken
 
Ken, if you are running your 501's from the K-01, you will freak if you put a 520 in there. The K-01 might be good, the 520 is in another post code altogether plus the synergy.... ;) come on already :D
 
Actually I think (hope) MEP just likes to bug us Raidho guys for the fun of it cuz he knows we are the sensitive type. On the other hand maybe he is still upset Nola ran out of wood when they were making his KO's.

:roflmao:

i didn't have to own a GM vehicle with a faulty ignition switch to realize GM has a problem with faulty ignition switches. I lifted all of my Raidho excuses right from this forum. I made up the answers, but I didn't make up the excuses.

you seem to keep forgetting that I listened to Raidho speakers at RMAF 2014. All they brought were the two smallest pairs with no bass.
 
Mike,

I wish I could but no chance. The Salon 2's are sounding marvelous with the 501's. Very pure and neutral (just a hint of warmth) with tremendous speed and bass control. My wife says they are perfection and I'd be crazy to change them. She thinks I should get the 520 preamp and be done with it. We'll see. :)

Ken

Ken - I think you should listen to your wife! :) Also, the Salon 3's are being targeted for CES 2016 launch.

That being said, with a built in phonostage in the 520, you would just HAVE to add a nice table to go along with the 520.....would be such a shame not to utilize the 520's phonostage. :)
 
Ken - I would clarify that since you already have Soulution, you're already 80% of the way there of tackling any problems you may encounter with the D3/room interaction.

Tough call....I guess it would all come down to listening habits, music preference, room size, etc. If you listen to a lot of rock/pop, and even some standup bass heavy jazz, at relatively loud volumes in a big room, the D3's might not be your best bet. If you listen to classical, female vocals, etc. in a moderately sized room at a moderate level (below 90db @ 1 meter), then the D3's will be excellent.

Let's face it, their are some bad bass heavy recordings that will just give them fits. But the other 90% of the time, it's bliss! The issue is that many people focus on that 10% and it ends up driving them batty.
 
Ken - I would clarify that since you already have Soulution, you're already 80% of the way there of tackling any problems you may encounter with the D3/room interaction.

Tough call....I guess it would all come down to listening habits, music preference, room size, etc. If you listen to a lot of rock/pop, and even some standup bass heavy jazz, at relatively loud volumes in a big room, the D3's might not be your best bet. If you listen to classical, female vocals, etc. in a moderately sized room at a moderate level (below 90db @ 1 meter), then the D3's will be excellent.

Let's face it, their are some bad bass heavy recordings that will just give them fits. But the other 90% of the time, it's bliss! The issue is that many people focus on that 10% and it ends up driving them batty.


Thanks Mike. As always, you make some excellent points. A big part of the reason I purchased the Soulution 501's to begin with is their synergy with Raidho and their ability to tame the bass of the D3's. It almost seems silly not to get the Raidho's after making such a major change to my system. But I have to admit, the Salon 2's sound great with the 501's and it will only get better if I add the 520 preamp and some Kimber Select cables. It is a very tough call and I don't want to blow it.

As for my room, it is 21 feet long, 17 feet wide (at its widest point) and 8 feet high. My system resides on the narrower end of the room, a dedicated area 13 feet 8 inches wide and 6 feet 10 inches deep. As for my listening habits, I never ever listen above 90 db and usually at much lower volumes than that. I primarily listen to jazz vocals (both female and male), jazz piano, jazz guitar and small jazz combos. I do sometimes listen to rock (1965 to 1975) and classical (all types) but always well below 90 db.

Best,
Ken
 
i didn't have to own a GM vehicle with a faulty ignition switch to realize GM has a problem with faulty ignition switches. I lifted all of my Raidho excuses right from this forum. I made up the answers, but I didn't make up the excuses.

Thanks for clearing that up. I feel much better now.
 
Thanks Mike. As always, you make some excellent points. A big part of the reason I purchased the Soulution 501's to begin with is their synergy with Raidho and their ability to tame the bass of the D3's. It almost seems silly not to get the Raidho's after making such a major change to my system. But I have to admit, the Salon 2's sound great with the 501's and it will only get better if I add the 520 preamp and some Kimber Select cables. It is a very tough call and I don't want to blow it.

As for my room, it is 21 feet long, 17 feet wide (at its widest point) and 8 feet high. My system resides on the narrower end of the room, a dedicated area 13 feet 8 inches wide and 6 feet 10 inches deep. As for my listening habits, I never ever listen above 90 db and usually at much lower volumes than that. I primarily listen to jazz vocals (both female and male), jazz piano, jazz guitar and small jazz combos. I do sometimes listen to rock (1965 to 1975) and classical (all types) but always well below 90 db.

Best,
Ken

Ken - that sure sounds pretty darn good. You may just have to scratch that itch. [emoji15]


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Ken - that sure sounds pretty darn good. You may just have to scratch that itch. [emoji15]


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Mike,

You may have to come over and lobby for me...LOL.

Ken
 
Hi Paul,

Where will you place your Torus 75?

Ken

My listening room is in my basement and I have a utility room behind the wall my components will be on that holds the main power line into the house. I plan to tap into the power ahead of the main panel and run about 20 feet to my Torus which will be in the utility room about about ten feet from the equipment wall. Transformer hum only carries about 3 feet, even for a 75 amp unit. I am then running five 10 foot runs of Furutech Alph-3 cable to five GTX-R receptacles.
 
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