Just Installed My KT-150 Tubes

Mark - do you know if KT150's can be used in ref250's and if so, can the top still fit on?

Man I miss those amps. Ballsy as hell.


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Mark - do you know if KT150's can be used in ref250's and if so, can the top still fit on?

Man I miss those amps. Ballsy as hell.


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Mike-Since the Ref 250 uses KT-120s like the Ref 75 does, I don't know why it wouldn't work. As for the cover fitting on, I think if it will fit on the Ref 75 it will fit on the Ref 250 since they are built the same. I'm going to see about installing my cover back on. I think it will work, but the tubes will be close to hitting the top. The Ref 75 looks better with the cover on than with the cover off.
 
Update-I reinstalled the cover on my ARC Ref 75 last night before the listening session started because I don't care for the looks of the amp sans cover. And yes, the cover fits nicely over the KT-150 tubes. I have owned many tube amps over the years including a bunch of ARC amps and many if not most of them looked better without their covers and that is how I used them. I do think the Ref 75 is a handsome piece of industrial looking art and removing the cover destroys the effect.

So now I have two nights on these tubes and night two was better than night one. You will notice many of the good things these tubes bring to the table upon first listen mind you. Even though using the KT-150s in a circuit that was designed for KT-120s doesn't take advantage of the extra power output the KT-150s are capable of, they damn sure make your amp sound like it has increased headroom. I heard this with the Raven Silhouette monoblocks I reviewed when I switched over from real, no kidding, NOS 6550 Tung-Sol tubes to the KT-150s. Better deep bass extension (sounds like another 1/2 octave extension), better midbass articulation, just better everything from top to bottom. That same sense I had of the KT-150s just loafing along and never sounding like they are working hard and being taxed I heard in the Silhouettes I'm hearing again.

Based on what I heard with the KT-150s in the Raven Silhouettes, I was excited to hear them in my Ref 75 and I'm not disappointed. Some of the people who own the Ref 75 beat me to the upgrade and all of the comments I have read are positive. It's easy to understand why once you hear these tubes. Carl from NOLA is real high on using the KT-150s in the Ref 75. One of the tricks that I think the KT-150s pull off is they resolve more spatial information in your soundstage. It defines not only the boundaries of your sound stage in terms of height, width, and depth, it does a better job of placing instruments and people within those boundaries and allows you to see/hear the space around each of the instruments and people with greater clarity and focus. And Jumpin' Jehosafats, you might just hear some information within those more articulated boundaries that has escaped you and the resolution capabilities of your system before.

I can't wait to hear my system with the Viero cables again because those speaker cables bring the same type of improvements as the KT-150s do and this is the first time my system has sounded this good since I packed up the Viero cables and sent them to Myles for his follow-up review. I know that Myles told me to quit whining, but I would by lying if I said I haven't been doing a little whimpering now and then because I knew what I lost when I disconnected those cables from my system. The combination of the KT-150s and the Viero cables should be a frickin' knockout.

If you have a tube amp that can safely run the KT-150s without imploding, you need to quickly go forth and order ye a set.
 
Nice write up Mark. I'm glad you are enjoying your system even more than before, very cool!

Mark, what other cables have you compared them to ?
 
Good report Mark. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts as you put the Viero cables back in and get more hours on the KT-150's.
 
Nice write up Mark. Since I own vintage TS 6550 solid black and grey plates but not the 3 hole version would you say they are like 6550's on steroids? When I had Dyn's they were the best sounding. But with Raidho not so much.
 
Nice write up Mark. Since I own vintage TS 6550 solid black and grey plates but not the 3 hole version would you say they are like 6550's on steroids? When I had Dyn's they were the best sounding. But with Raidho not so much.

George-No, I wouldn't say that. KT-120s are like 6550s/KT-88s on steroids. KT-150s are like KT-120s on steroids.
 
Mark,

Thanks for the update. I know your system sounds amazing. I love everything Carl touches. His speakers sound incredible and now with the Ref 75 retubed with KT-150's, even better I'm sure. Thanks!
 
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George-No, I wouldn't say that. KT-120s are like 6550s/KT-88s on steroids. KT-150s are like KT-120s on steroids.
When you compare KT88's to KT120's which ones? I mean a SED KT88 is pretty warm sound where a GEC or EAT KT88's are very linear and more detailed. A gold Lion KT88 re-issue is somewhere in the middle.

I understand they are probably not burned in yet. My experience in general is the first 25 hrs you'll notice the biggest difference where at 100 hrs they typically settle down. I read with Shuguang they recommend 2 or 300 hrs before judging them. How many hrs do you have on them now??
 
When you compare KT88's to KT120's which ones? I mean a SED KT88 is pretty warm sound where a GEC or EAT KT88's are very linear and more detailed. A gold Lion KT88 re-issue is somewhere in the middle.

Svetlana KT-88s (never cared for them at all) and the reissue 'Gold Lion' KT-88s. I won't even compare the original Genelex KT-88s to either of those KT-88s as it's not fair.

I understand they are probably not burned in yet. My experience in general is the first 25 hrs you'll notice the biggest difference where at 100 hrs they typically settle down. I read with Shuguang they recommend 2 or 300 hrs before judging them. How many hrs do you have on them now??

I only have two nights of playing time on the KT-150s so no, they haven't entirely settled in yet. One good indication is when the bias finally stabilizes and I'm not quite there yet.
 
Svetlana KT-88s (never cared for them at all) and the reissue 'Gold Lion' KT-88s. I won't even compare the original Genelex KT-88s to either of those KT-88s as it's not fair.
I totally agree but was using them just as an example how no 2 brands of KT88's sound the same. I mean the EAT KT88 is very similar to the Gec KT88 but without the slight dryness. Even within the same brand they are different. The TS 6550 black plate and grey plate are very similar with the mids in the grey plate being a hair more forward sounding.

I'm asking these questions because I'm currently running Ei KT90's in my Octave right now. I didn't care the KT120 because the mids sound too 'shouty' to me and the Ei's is better but at reduced power. I would like to get back to the 110W rating but with a cleaner mid range. ;)

I only have two nights of playing time on the KT-150s so no, they haven't entirely settled in yet. One good indication is when the bias finally stabilizes and I'm not quite there yet.
I've had new tube bias settle in 5 -10 hrs and still not be burned in. Like my KT120's
 
I guess I'm somewhat surprised that you like the EI KT-90s more than the KT-120 tubes. I was just never a fan of them, but then I never heard them in your amp either.
 
I guess I'm somewhat surprised that you like the EI KT-90s more than the KT-120 tubes. I was just never a fan of them, but then I never heard them in your amp either.
I keep trying the KT120's hoping for a different result but I just keep going back to Ei's. It's the mids that I prefer. It's also the only tube I like with both Dynaudio and Raidho. They seem to last forever too.
 
Mark, enjoy it. in a way I feel lucky they don't suit my amps or i'd be lookin' at 16 tubes, at 95 bucks a pop...yikes!

I know, and that's the beauty of owing an amplifier that only uses a pair of output tubes per channel. Ned Carlson of Triode Audio once told me that he wouldn't own any tube amp that had more than one pair of output tubes per channel. The more output tubes you have per channel, the harder it is to get a tight match across them when you buy them and the more likely it will be that they will drift apart as they age. I used to own a Jadis Defy 7 MKII amp and it was a freakin' nightmare to try and keep the tubes biased correctly not to mention the hit to your wallet.
 
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