George I answered that for you in post #57............
Is Class A still the king of tone?
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George I answered that for you in post #57............
gadawg
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Where? Again if measurements are 100% correct ... price by definition cannot come into play, else by definition something that wasn't measured is making the more expensive amps better which supports my argument which is simply measurement cannot 100% describe performance.
Do you think measurement 100% describe performance? If not then we agree ...
George
to the questions you asked in post #60 and my reply........... the word 'subjective', I suppose one could add the word perception as well
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Why does one perspective have to be “right” and the other “wrong”?
Engineers design and build to specifications, and measurements help determine whether a system is built as intended. Audio certainly benefits from that discipline and rigor.
At the same time, measurements alone do not guarantee great sound in a listening room.
Ultimately, our ears are the final measurement system. While our hearing is influenced by individual preferences and cognitive biases, listening remains the ultimate test of whether a system delivers a satisfying musical experience. The challenge, of course, is that not everyone’s ears—or preferences—will agree on what constitutes great sound.
Perhaps measurements and listening are not competing viewpoints, but complementary tools in our pursuit of better audio.
Engineers design and build to specifications, and measurements help determine whether a system is built as intended. Audio certainly benefits from that discipline and rigor.
At the same time, measurements alone do not guarantee great sound in a listening room.
Ultimately, our ears are the final measurement system. While our hearing is influenced by individual preferences and cognitive biases, listening remains the ultimate test of whether a system delivers a satisfying musical experience. The challenge, of course, is that not everyone’s ears—or preferences—will agree on what constitutes great sound.
Perhaps measurements and listening are not competing viewpoints, but complementary tools in our pursuit of better audio.
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Neither of those would be an answer to my question ... Here is what I'm asking for ... Do you think measurement 100% describes complete and total performance of an component? Yes/Noto the questions you asked in post #60 and my reply........... the word 'subjective', I suppose one could add the word perception as well
Cheers!
George
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I've been responding to the original notion many posts up by a manufacturer that all aspects of audio component performance can be measured now as the science of measurement has advanced greatly over years past. While I agree we can probably measure much more than we did decades ago .. I think it would be an exaggeration to state that all aspects of performance are capable of being measured. I agree with you that measurements are a valuable tool for engineers while developing products and can be relative within a very controlled environment. I however don't agree that measurements actually tell you very much at all as to how one component will perform compared to another product that is of a totally different design. Things like THD are all but useless today because everything(other than speakers) will have a THD of much less than .1% which is about the limit of human perception anyway...
I'm just curious if folks agree that measurements can tell you everything or most everything you need to know about a component. I certainly don't but that's just me.
Cheers
George
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I understand and agree with your position George. Very clearly to me, measurements do not tell the entire story.