Interesting Articles on Cartridge Alignment

Stirling Trayle just left after being here for 9 hours. He set up my Lyra Skala on my VPI HRX TT. I thought the sound before was quite good, even though I only had alligned it with my Dr. Feickert protractor and set up the stylus pressure with my electronic scale. Little did I know what was in store for me with a really fine allignment (and also optimal VTA settings for regular weight and 180g and 200g records.) Greater clarity, separation, dynamics, lower noise, more cohesive sound. During the process he alligned and realligned my cartridge six times - every time different settings were changed, like azimuth, SRA, pressure etc. the cartridge needs to be realligned. For my ripping project, I will have the ideal settings for the last 2000+ records that I will rip during the coming year and I probably will go back and rerip a few hundred of the best and or most valuable of the records that I have already ripped (including most likely my complete collection of the 600 TAS Super Discs.

Stirling's services are not cheap, but only a small fraction of the cost of the cartridge plus TT (which cost as much as a new Toyota Corolla). Very highly recommended. He is a hidden gem and is moving from mostly doing work for professionals to expand to optimization of systems for the amateurs.

Thanks to Dan and Dre for the recommendation. Wish I had done this five years ago.

Larry

PS. The one unfortunate discovery was that since installing new motorized blinds, one window that was always covered has been open to the morning sun and has been shining on my spare tone arm and mono Helikon. Over the past two weeks, it has baked the coils - so I ruined a very nice mono cartridge, by sun baking. So I'll be looking for a new mono cartridge.

Thanks for the update. Stirling is a gem. Pun intended. I plan on having him optimize my system once i have it sorted out. Sorry to hear about the baked mono cartridge. I can't recommend the Miyajima zero mono highly enough. On equal footing with my $15k Goldfinger statement as far as mono goes.
 
Stirling Trayle just left after being here for 9 hours. He set up my Lyra Skala on my VPI HRX TT. I thought the sound before was quite good, even though I only had alligned it with my Dr. Feickert protractor and set up the stylus pressure with my electronic scale. Little did I know what was in store for me with a really fine allignment (and also optimal VTA settings for regular weight and 180g and 200g records.) Greater clarity, separation, dynamics, lower noise, more cohesive sound. During the process he alligned and realligned my cartridge six times - every time different settings were changed, like azimuth, SRA, pressure etc. the cartridge needs to be realligned. For my ripping project, I will have the ideal settings for the last 2000+ records that I will rip during the coming year and I probably will go back and rerip a few hundred of the best and or most valuable of the records that I have already ripped (including most likely my complete collection of the 600 TAS Super Discs.

Stirling's services are not cheap, but only a small fraction of the cost of the cartridge plus TT (which cost as much as a new Toyota Corolla). Very highly recommended. He is a hidden gem and is moving from mostly doing work for professionals to expand to optimization of systems for the amateurs.

Thanks to Dan and Dre for the recommendation. Wish I had done this five years ago.

Larry

PS. The one unfortunate discovery was that since installing new motorized blinds, one window that was always covered has been open to the morning sun and has been shining on my spare tone arm and mono Helikon. Over the past two weeks, it has baked the coils - so I ruined a very nice mono cartridge, by sun baking. So I'll be looking for a new mono cartridge.

Larry is it also better because Stirling used a different geometry to align the cartridge?
 
Thanks for the recommendation. I was just looking at the Miyajima zero mono as a possible replacement. I am concerned a little about whether the Miyajima zero would be compatible with the VPI JMW 12.5 arm which holds (held) my Lyra Helikon. Larry

Thanks for the update. Stirling is a gem. Pun intended. I plan on having him optimize my system once i have it sorted out. Sorry to hear about the baked mono cartridge. I can't recommend the Miyajima zero mono highly enough. On equal footing with my $15k Goldfinger statement as far as mono goes.
 
Larry is it also better because Stirling used a different geometry to align the cartridge?

Myles, that may be part of the difference. He does use a different alignment geometry. He told me what it was, but at my age, I can't remember things like that told to me six hours ago. I think it started with "U" but I could be wrong. He did a lot more in addition to the alignment geometry that I never did.

Larry
 
Myles, that may be part of the difference. He does use a different alignment geometry. He told me what it was, but at my age, I can't remember things like that told to me six hours ago. I think it started with "U" but I could be wrong. He did a lot more in addition to the alignment geometry that I never did.

Larry

High End Audio - SMARTractor - VANA Ltd. - Home of Vienna Acoustics, Primare, IsoTek, Feickert, Acoustical Systems & Blue Horizon

I think Stirling is hot on uni-Din. Most of the other geometries go back to the '50s and May or may not pertain to today's arms and cartridges.
 
Interesting. Was going to pick up a jig from Stirling a while back. You've piqued my interest again. Guess was scared off cause the jig didn't seem real user friendly.
 
Larry is it also better because Stirling used a different geometry to align the cartridge?

Interesting. Was going to pick up a jig from Stirling a while back. You've piqued my interest again. Guess was scared off cause the jig didn't seem real user friendly.

I think Stirling's work is way more than the Uni-Din alignment IMHO. For us non industry people, even if we read and set up our system till we turn blue we just don't have the years of listening to the latest and greatest nor the field experience in setting up system combination that you and Stirling may have. It's a hobby for us and it's job for you.

BTW Myles the Smartractor is very easy to use. I have Feickert, Mint LP and I find the Smartractor the easiest to use IMHO.
 
I think Stirling's work is way more than the Uni-Din alignment IMHO. For us non industry people, even if we read and set up our system till we turn blue we just don't have the years of listening to the latest and greatest nor the field experience in setting up system combination that you and Stirling may have. It's a hobby for us and it's job for you.

BTW Myles the Smartractor is very easy to use. I have Feickert, Mint LP and I find the Smartractor the easiest to use IMHO.

The VPI is based on the Lofgren geometry with a few tweaks by Mitch Cotter as necessary. The VPI is very easy to use especially with a nude cartridge like the Atlas. It's when you have to set something up like an Ikeda or 47 Labs that you want to tear your hair out. See analog lovers aren't that old; they just tore their hair out! :)

Thanks for the comments on the Smartractor! Wonder what MikeL or Christian use?
 
The VPI is based on the Lofgren geometry with a few tweaks by Mitch Cotter as necessary. The VPI is very easy to use especially with a nude cartridge like the Atlas. It's when you have to set something up like an Ikeda or 47 Labs that you want to tear your hair out. See analog lovers aren't that old; they just tore their hair out! :)

Thanks for the comments on the Smartractor! Wonder what MikeL or Christian use?

I set up a Sumiko Palo Santos Presentation with the Feickert, Mint LP and the Smartractor. The Smartractor made it that much easier to install with the integrated mirrored base, one set point and the magnifying glass. As usual YMMV.
 
Myles, I am using the UNI-DIN alignment quite a bit lately, but not exclusively. For what I look for in an optimized cartridge set-up, it seems to work out with the most consistency. It is not based on Erik Lofgren's math from 1938 and it is an attempt to deal with the characteristics of a stereo micro groove LP, which weren't even around when Lofgren did his great work.
 
Myles, I am using the UNI-DIN alignment quite a bit lately, but not exclusively. For what I look for in an optimized cartridge set-up, it seems to work out with the most consistency. It is not based on Erik Lofgren's math from 1938 and it is an attempt to deal with the characteristics of a stereo micro groove LP, which weren't even around when Lofgren did his great work.

That's what I was trying to say only more eloquently. :(

I'm sure people would like to hear more about the Smartractor and perhaps what are the theoretical advantages (distortion, tangency, etc.) and sonic differences between say the Lofgren and Dietrich's Uni-Din alignment.
 
[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Myles, what I appreciate about the SMARTractor is the attention to detail and the overall precision of the device. The SMARTractor is a triangulation type alignment tool. Specifically, it includes three differently sized spindle inserts (7.1mm, 7.15mm, 7.2mm) to more precisely center the tool to the center of the platter. Without this feature, the tool may fit your particular turntable spindle, or it may too big or not fit at all. Most tools error on the side of too big to accommodate as many models as possible. If that starting point isn't precise, then one cannot be confident that the resulting alignment will be correct. I also appreciate the use of a mirrored platform, which allows for positioning your eye to try and eliminate parallax when viewing the cartridge and alignment grid. The tool includes 5 different alignment grids to experiment with (Baerwald/Loefgren A IEC, Baerwald/Loefgren A DIN, Loefgren B IEC, Loefgren B DIN, and UNI-DIN), so regardless of your particular requirements, the tool can accommodate what you want to try. There is also a very precise spindle to pivot measurement aspect to the tool as well that uses a Vernier type scale to 5/100mm accuracy. The importance of this, is so that you can measure and guarantee that the arm is mounted to achieve the correct spindle to pivot distance to which the geometry the arm was designed. So, if one can correctly position the arm spindle to pivot distance correctly, and also precisely center the tool around the spindle, you've gone a long way toward being able to accurately align the stylus to one of the provided alignment geometries. Caveat; given the size of the stylus we are attempting to align, the best we can hope for is precision within a compromise... We all know that, correct?? In regards to the UNI-DIN alignment, the primary difference is that it is not based on Erik Loefgren's original math, from which all the "know and public" geometries are based, e.g. Baerwald is the same alignment as Loefgren A, and Stevenson is the same math with different null points put into the equation, and most all turntable manufacturers use one of these, whether it is stated or not. I try to not say never, always, every, none, or similar absolutes, because as soon as you do...well, it doesn't end so good for you... They all behave with a "similar" characteristic in the distortion curve relative to their respective null points on the record. The UNI-DIN shows a slightly overall lower level of distortion, but the main difference is that the rate of change in the distortion levels is lower and shaped a bit differently. Our ears seem to be more sensitive to a higher rate of change rather than the absolute level of distortion, at least at this level. The actual null points of UNI-DIN are similar, but not identical, to Loefgren B IEC. I find that with UNI-DIN, lateral forces are lowered and less anti-skating force is required, so consequently azimuth is more stable across the record. All that said, depending on the geometry the arm, where UNI-DIN places the stylus tip and mass of a particular cartridge relative to what the arm will be happy with is something one has to experiment with. I find that it works quite well with the 12" VPI, for example, probably because the VPI alignment is, as far as I have been able to gauge, identical to Loefgren B IEC, which has similar null points to UNI-DIN. It's not the cheapest tool in the shed. I think it's $650 here in the US, but its the most precise I've found and it's super easy to use. Hope this helps!



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[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Myles, what I appreciate about the SMARTractor is the attention to detail and the overall precision of the device. The SMARTractor is a triangulation type alignment tool. Specifically, it includes three differently sized spindle inserts (7.1mm, 7.15mm, 7.2mm) to more precisely center the tool to the center of the platter. Without this feature, the tool may fit your particular turntable spindle, or it may too big or not fit at all. Most tools error on the side of too big to accommodate as many models as possible. If that starting point isn't precise, then one cannot be confident that the resulting alignment will be correct. I also appreciate the use of a mirrored platform, which allows for positioning your eye to try and eliminate parallax when viewing the cartridge and alignment grid. The tool includes 5 different alignment grids to experiment with (Baerwald/Loefgren A IEC, Baerwald/Loefgren A DIN, Loefgren B IEC, Loefgren B DIN, and UNI-DIN), so regardless of your particular requirements, the tool can accommodate what you want to try. There is also a very precise spindle to pivot measurement aspect to the tool as well that uses a Vernier type scale to 5/100mm accuracy. The importance of this, is so that you can measure and guarantee that the arm is mounted to achieve the correct spindle to pivot distance to which the geometry the arm was designed. So, if one can correctly position the arm spindle to pivot distance correctly, and also precisely center the tool around the spindle, you've gone a long way toward being able to accurately align the stylus to one of the provided alignment geometries. Caveat; given the size of the stylus we are attempting to align, the best we can hope for is precision within a compromise... We all know that, correct?? In regards to the UNI-DIN alignment, the primary difference is that it is not based on Erik Loefgren's original math, from which all the "know and public" geometries are based, e.g. Baerwald is the same alignment as Loefgren A, and Stevenson is the same math with different null points put into the equation, and most all turntable manufacturers use one of these, whether it is stated or not. I try to not say never, always, every, none, or similar absolutes, because as soon as you do...well, it doesn't end so good for you... They all behave with a "similar" characteristic in the distortion curve relative to their respective null points on the record. The UNI-DIN shows a slightly overall lower level of distortion, but the main difference is that the rate of change in the distortion levels is lower and shaped a bit differently. Our ears seem to be more sensitive to a higher rate of change rather than the absolute level of distortion, at least at this level. The actual null points of UNI-DIN are similar, but not identical, to Loefgren B IEC. I find that with UNI-DIN, lateral forces are lowered and less anti-skating force is required, so consequently azimuth is more stable across the record. All that said, depending on the geometry the arm, where UNI-DIN places the stylus tip and mass of a particular cartridge relative to what the arm will be happy with is something one has to experiment with. I find that it works quite well with the 12" VPI, for example, probably because the VPI alignment is, as far as I have been able to gauge, identical to Loefgren B IEC, which has similar null points to UNI-DIN. It's not the cheapest tool in the shed. I think it's $650 here in the US, but its the most precise I've found and it's super easy to use. Hope this helps!



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My experience thus far with the SMARTractor has been excellent, but it does exercise one's patience. Because it is fragile you have to handle it with great care, but it is far more precise than what I had been using before. If I were to nitpick, I'd like to see the magnifier be closer to the platter and have built in LED lighting. Some cartridges have the stylus virtually hidden under the body and with the body very close to the record surface. Recently I aligned a Koetsu Coralstone, for example.

I suppose an obvious complaint would be that it's expensive. Because I use it professionally for installations and alignments quite a bit, it's not a concern, but for the individual it's a tough one to swallow. In some ways I should be grateful because my service ($200) that typically takes several hours costs far less than the tools I use, and there's no learning curve on each to face.
 
Brian, man do I agree about the magnifier issue, but I'm sure what could be done about it. I use my iPhone 5 on it's side with a screen flashlight app to illuminate the area. Damn Apple and their new rounded corners.... I did a Rosewood Signature last nigt and it's tough to get an accurate view under there. When I was at Spiral Groove and putting together the kit of set-up tools for the Centroid arm, I found a cool little loupe with a roughly 6" bamboo handle at a Japanese dollar store calked Daiso. It was $1.50. It's the best magnifier I've found for when things are tight with any of the long body cartridges like Koetsu's and the original Kiseki's. If I can figure out how to attach a photo, I'll post a picture of it...
I understand that it's a bit on the expensive side, but the thing about precision is that it's the most expensive aspect of the tool. The materials used have to remain dimensionally stable over time and useage so they also have to be chosen and machined carefully. Personally, I think that holding the close tolerance they do with five different geometries to a single center point on the tool is a pretty cool thing and the fact that it is so easy to accurately switch from geometry to geometry is a testament to a well thought out and executed tool. Maybe not the cheapest tool in an audiophiles kit, but compared to the stuff it's designed to work with, one can spend more on a single isolation foot, which wouldn't yield as great a global "goodness" result. OR, better yet hire an experienced set-up guy like you to do the job properly, cuz it's not just about the alignment!
 
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