Thanks i will try do demo 2 different Cardas cables to hear the differences.
Inducing clarity: Cardas Clear Beyond interconnects
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Thanks i will try do demo 2 different Cardas cables to hear the differences.
GSOphile
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A Cable Company rep advised that the Cardas Clear Reflection was on the warm side and Cardas' best option for reducing glare.
u-sound
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i d rather change the speaker if it is the cause of the brightness
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Cardas cables are in two different groups. The original group is warmer overall which was George's response to bright sounding digital. The newer group is more neutral and more revealing, the website discusses this. For years my Tara Labs speaker cables and interconnects were my reference. I got a wild hair one day and bought two pairs of Cardas interconnects and a pair of speaker cables. The Tara's never got back in the system.
I would try the Clear Reflection. They add some midrange warmth and smoothness on top, similar to earlier Cardas models that brought them notoriety. You could try The Cable Company’s lending library first before purchasing.
Ken
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Thanks but they don't lend to European peolple.
I'm going to ask a Cardas dealer in my country.
IMHO if a system is bright, most of the time it's caused by "sub-optimal" electrical power network, in the past I experienced this with Focal speakers I owned, too bright for long listening sessions but after adding a separate electrical group for audio, better (system matching) powercords and power distribution block all off the brightness went away.
I already have an Audioquest Niagara 3000 in which all my digital, Switch, LPSUs and internet box are plugged in.
Only my Diablo 300 is directly plugged in the wall with and Audioquest Firebird PC.
I don't have a dedicated power line for my system yet, will have to wait a couple of years when i can build a dedicated listening room.
Meanwhile if i can find smoother cables for my speakers that should do just fine.
Have you tried plugging your amp in the Niagara 3000, just for the sake of it. It might pin point the "problem".
Yes i did, it sounds better plugged into the wall.
Usually Gryphon don't recommend to plug into power conditionners.
I understand dynamics might suffer a bit pluggin the amp into the power conditioner, but did the harshness in the high frequencies disappear ?
Congratulate on your new interconnects, thank you for the review.
i love Cardas cables (i use Cardas Clear cables for the whole system). Unfortunately, so far i didn't have the opportunity to hear or test Clear and beyond cables, so it's great to read your impression of the cables.
i love Cardas cables (i use Cardas Clear cables for the whole system). Unfortunately, so far i didn't have the opportunity to hear or test Clear and beyond cables, so it's great to read your impression of the cables.
There is less, but i think the room has a lot to do with it since i moved into a new home and my new living room i bigger and less bright.
If there is less harshness with the Diablo plugged into the Niagara 3000, it does look like the harshness is coming from the "wall" power. Offcourse room acoustics can be a factor also.
Maybe something like an Isotek Titan V3/V5 might work well on a Gryphon Diablo 300, it might be even less expensive then different speakercables and interconnects.
Plugging power amps to the Wall power socket I understand, but as the Diablo is an integrated you are also plugging the Pre-amp section to the unfiltered wall socket.
I listened a few times to the Thiel CS 3.7 when the were newly released, always really liked them, but never found them harsh in the high frequencies, same for the Diablo, IMO a very neutral (maybe even slightly darker then neutral) presentation.
By the way, my intention is not to push you in any direction, but I think you have a great set, and should be able to sound great with the cables you have.
Best wishes for the new year
u-sound
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are gryphon vip cables known to sound bright? before changing anything i would really find out whats the real cause.
from my experience vibration control at the digital rig (everything, streamer, dac, switch psu) has tremendous impact on compression. more than the cables, to my own surprise. (doesnt mean you can skip the cable side)
from my experience vibration control at the digital rig (everything, streamer, dac, switch psu) has tremendous impact on compression. more than the cables, to my own surprise. (doesnt mean you can skip the cable side)
Well guys guess what, the Cardas rep came to my place last monday for me to demo Cardas Clear Beyond SC and Clear IC in my system.
I was blown away by the sysnergy between the Cardas cables and my Thiel speakers, glare has completely disappeared and the sound has become so much more engaging with much more density.
I have heard micro details in the bass region that i never heard before with my VIP cables.
I can't imagine how the Clear Beyond ICs would sound in my system
Now i know that my problem comes from my Gryphon silver cabling, i just have to get rid of them after having tried 2 pure Copper brands.
I will try one more combo the Tellurium Q Statement SC and IC and make a decision after that.
I was blown away by the sysnergy between the Cardas cables and my Thiel speakers, glare has completely disappeared and the sound has become so much more engaging with much more density.
I have heard micro details in the bass region that i never heard before with my VIP cables.
I can't imagine how the Clear Beyond ICs would sound in my system
Now i know that my problem comes from my Gryphon silver cabling, i just have to get rid of them after having tried 2 pure Copper brands.
I will try one more combo the Tellurium Q Statement SC and IC and make a decision after that.
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Well guys guess what, the Cardas rep came to my place last monday for me to demo Cardas Clear Beyond SC and Clear IC in my system.
I was blown away by the sysnergy between the Cardas cables and my Thiel speakers, glare has completely disappeared and the sound has become so much more engaging with much more density.
I have heard micro details in the bass region that i never heard before with my VIP cables.
I can't imagine how the Clear Beyond ICs would sound in my system
Now i know that my problem comes from my Gryphon silver cabling, i just have to get rid of them after having tried 2 pure Copper brands.
I will try one more combo the Tellurium Q Statement SC and IC and make a decision after that.
Cardas Clear Beyond vs TQ Statement is a comparison I look forward to reading! Good Luck!
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Well guys guess what, the Cardas rep came to my place last monday for me to demo Cardas Clear Beyond SC and Clear IC in my system.
I was blown away by the sysnergy between the Cardas cables and my Thiel speakers, glare has completely disappeared and the sound has become so much more engaging with much more density.
I have heard micro details in the bass region that i never heard before with my VIP cables.
I can't imagine how the Clear Beyond ICs would sound in my system
Now i know that my problem comes from my Gryphon silver cabling, i just have to get rid of them after having tried 2 pure Copper brands.
I will try one more combo the Tellurium Q Statement SC and IC and make a decision after that.
I do agree, in the level of micro-detail retrieval and bass depth the Clear Beyond really stands out.
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I have a full set of Clear Beyond including power cables, and tonearm cable. I can attest to their neutral, yet musical vibe.
I much preferred the Cardas Clear Beyond SC and IC as opposed to the TQ Statement in my system.
IMO regarding the Statement IC you really don't get what you pay for, there is a serious difference in overall performance between the Statement SP and the IC.
The Statement IC is the weak link of the two, i did like the Statement SC very smooth sounding but not as much resolution in the bass region as the Cardas Clear Beyond SP.
At the end of my cable shootout the Cardas Clear Beyond were the clear winner and i therefore ordered the SC and XLR IC, should receive them pretty soon.