Horn speakers that mate well with Shindo and those to avoid

Sounds like kev313 is our resident expert on building horn speaker systems. I too considered assembling a horn system, but I bailed on that idea after realizing I'd be forced to do math.

Still, I like to tinker. I got intrigued the Townshend super tweeters that Stephen put on his Petite Latours. It was simple enough to plop a pair of Fostex T90A super tweeters and capacitors (and some of that surplus WE wire) on my Shindo 604's. They sound a bit hot right now, so I ordered a cheap pair of attenuators. I'm just playing, but I like what's happening. Sparkle and detail in spades.

Brian, is the idea to replace the 604's? If so, what sonic experience do you seek, other than the proverbial white whale? Have you considered open baffle designs? People who heard them seem to like Nelson Pass' open baffle Lowther with slot loaded woofer - it seems like a lower cost "paved path" option for DIY. I also like the look of Haigner speaker designs. I contacted David Haigner, and the cost is on par with FC Latours and beyond. http://vinylsavor.blogspot.com/2011/02/cool-links-wwwhaignercom.html http://www.haigner.com He's a professional sound system designer that does his own speakers in very low volume. Thomas Mayer, a noted tube amp designer, is one of David's fans, and I'm sure that Haigner could design a system with the right impedance and sensitivity for Shindo amps. And, like most of us, I'd love to hear the A23 Hommage 22A system.
 
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Sounds like kev313 is our resident expert on building horn speaker systems. I too considered assembling a horn system, but I bailed on that idea after realizing I'd be forced to do math.

Still, I like to tinker. I got intrigued the Townshend super tweeters that Stephen put on his Petite Latours. It was simple enough to plop a pair of Fostex T90A super tweeters and capacitors (and some of that surplus WE wire) on my Shindo 604's. They sound a bit hot right now, so I ordered a cheap pair of attenuators. I'm just playing, but I like what's happening. Sparkle and detail in spades.

Brian, is the idea to replace the 604's? If so, what sonic experience do you seek, other than the proverbial white whale? Have you considered open baffle designs? People who heard them seem to like Nelson Pass' open baffle Lowther with slot loaded woofer - it seems like a lower cost "paved path" option for DIY. I also like the look of Haigner speaker designs. I contacted David Haigner, and the cost is on par with FC Latours and beyond. http://vinylsavor.blogspot.com/2011/02/cool-links-wwwhaignercom.html http://www.haigner.com He's a professional sound system designer that does his own speakers in very low volume. Thomas Mayer, a noted tube amp designer, is one of David's fans, and I'm sure that Haigner could design a system with the right impedance and sensitivity for Shindo amps. And, like most of us, I'd love to hear the A23 Hommage 22A system.
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Bongo said:
Sounds like kev313 is our resident expert on building horn speaker systems. I too considered assembling a horn system, but I bailed on that idea after realizing I'd be forced to do math.

Still, I like to tinker. I got intrigued the Townshend super tweeters that Stephen put on his Petite Latours. It was simple enough to plop a pair of Fostex T90A super tweeters and capacitors (and some of that surplus WE wire) on my Shindo 604's. They sound a bit hot right now, so I ordered a cheap pair of attenuators. I'm just playing, but I like what's happening. Sparkle and detail in spades.

Brian, is the idea to replace the 604's? If so, what sonic experience do you seek, other than the proverbial white whale? Have you considered open baffle designs? People who heard them seem to like Nelson Pass' open baffle Lowther with slot loaded woofer - it seems like a lower cost "paved path" option for DIY. I also like the look of Haigner speaker designs. I contacted David Haigner, and the cost is on par with FC Latours and beyond. http://vinylsavor.blogspot.com/2011/02/cool-links-wwwhaignercom.html http://www.haigner.com He's a professional sound system designer that does his own speakers in very low volume. Thomas Mayer, a noted tube amp designer, is one of David's fans, and I'm sure that Haigner could design a system with the right impedance and sensitivity for Shindo amps. And, like most of us, I'd love to hear the A23 Hommage 22A system.
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Hey guys. Apologies, didn't get notified about all these posts. Glad to see some activity in this forum finally! :)

I love the Shindo sound. My only complaint about my current system is that it sometimes sounds grainy at the high volumes I like to listen at. Also, now that I've heard the level of realism my system can achieve, I can't help thinking that there are a few other levels to achieve. Music is the only thing that really captivates me (aside from the ladies). Life is short and I wanna see how far I can push the envelope of enjoyment.

Ive heard the Latour's, so I know there's another level. But it's gonna take me most of this year to save up for them. In the meantime, I'm also very interested in the work that some of the other builders using similar philosophies as Shindo are creating.

I'd absolutely be one of these crazy Asian dudes with the bass horn built into the house if I could. Maybe one day I will. But Kev is right in that I'm probably more inclined to look at builders using bespoke approaches over more modern manufacturing techniques, though I'm not religious about it.

Of course, the biggest challenge with these bespoke Western Electric disciple approaches is, aside from cost, the ability to hear the speakers in my system. My working assumption is that as long as the speaker is a good electrical match with a similar philosophical approach, the Shindo sound will still come through.

The builders I'm most interested in evaluating are Oswald's Mill and the stuff Jefferey Jackson and friends are doing. Both groups seem to share a philosophical approach in line with Shindo. Of course, both are also significantly more expensive options too. Hard to say if they are onto something better or just different until I get a chance to hear them in person.

Ill look ion into the speakers you mentioned though. I enjoy learning about various approaches, even if I ultimately stick with the all Shindo approach for now. :)
 
Brian, I'll look forward to your reports as you head further down the rabbit hole... Many of us have looked down into the darkness with longing!
 
Before I bought the 604's, I also considered the Tune Audio Anima and did contact Manolis Proestakis. The 6.3 ohm minimum impedance killed my interest.
 
I strongly urge you to brew a pot of coffee, head to the Klipsch forum, and spend the afternoon learning everything you can about the Jubilee. A semi custom product, but Roy D. at Klipsch can work you through putting one together if interested. A world class solution at under 10k
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kev313 said:
I strongly urge you to brew a pot of coffee, head to the Klipsch forum, and spend the afternoon learning everything you can about the Jubilee. A semi custom product, but Roy D. at Klipsch can work you through putting one together if interested. A world class solution at under 10k
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Hi which city can I listen to these in
 
bonzo said:
Hi which city can I listen to these in
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Several. Many of the Klipsch members who've built them would probably have a fellow forum member over for a listen.


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bonzo said:
This WE 16a with these horn woofers is for sale. GIP drivers. This is possibly the best system anyone will ever had. I have heard this without the woofers, so will visit hon again. He has got another pair of WEs http://www.audio-markt.de/_markt/item.php?id=4296427638&
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I'd definitely be down to build a system
like this. Even after using Google Traslate, I'm not 100% clear what is included here. Seems like one 16a horn with the two other horns and all GIP drivers for 35k euros. But then it says "price per horn system", so does that mean that all of this is one system or that each horn is 35k euros?

The translation:

Description: our showroom with me both:
Speaker System Western Electric 16A and Western Electric 30154-D replica horns each with GIP 555 and GIP 597 field coil drivers. System price per horn system without a subwoofer.
By appointment.


Country: Germany (04349)
Payment Methods: Cash on collection, transfer,
Delivery options:
 
Hi I think the price is for the big 16a horn, with GIP drivers, but without the woofers.
 
bonzo said:
Hi I think the price is for the big 16a horn, with GIP drivers, but without the woofers.
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I don't think so. On second reading, it pretty clearly says that it is both the 16A and the 30154-D and also lists two different drivers.
 
A general FYI to my Shindo friends, as detailed in the for sale section, I'm considering selling my field coil 604s and am entertaining offers.


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Walter, I'm moving. It's explained in the f/s post.


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