High End Audio Growth

Good article, and as usual, great work by Tom.

At first blush, I was thinking that more high-end dealers doesn't necessarily translate to more high-end buyers.

After reading the article, I came away thinking that there were two possible conclusions: Either a stagnant or shrinking pool of old audiophiles are buying and hoarding more equipment -OR- the number of new high-end customers is growing enough to keep the established companies as well as the new companies in business.

I can only conclude that it is the latter.
 
Interesting take on the subject, but I have to question the author’s definition of a high-end audio manufacturer:

“For this analysis, a manufacturer qualifies when it offers at least one product intended primarily for high-quality music reproduction in the home with a retail price above $500 in 2026 dollars.”

I would maintain that a single specialty audio product retailing for over $500 hardly qualifies an audio manufacturer as high-end, and that by using that definition the numbers have been significantly inflated, thereby seriously skewing the data. Of course, that same observation begs the question of exactly what does constitute a high-end manufacturer? I’d suggest that a manufacturer whose least expensive product retails for $1000+ would more accurately define the category.

Just my observation. As always, YMMV.
 
Interesting take on the subject, but I have to question the author’s definition of a high-end audio manufacturer:

“For this analysis, a manufacturer qualifies when it offers at least one product intended primarily for high-quality music reproduction in the home with a retail price above $500 in 2026 dollars.”

I would maintain that a single specialty audio product retailing for over $500 hardly qualifies an audio manufacturer as high-end, and that by using that definition the numbers have been significantly inflated, thereby seriously skewing the data. Of course, that same observation begs the question of exactly what does constitute a high-end manufacturer? I’d suggest that a manufacturer whose least expensive product retails for $1000+ would more accurately define the category.

Just my observation. As always, YMMV.
I'm not sure about a particular dollar amount, ( although $1,000 does sound like a baseline from what I look at), but I'd start with:

Good design
Good parts (every part)
Point to point wiring (good wire and skillful solder job)
 
I found the article bias and lacking information. Seemingly lacking in order to sell the idea that high end audio is alive and well.

There may be more retailers and manufacturer, but he talked nothing about $$$ spent or pricing of equipment. I think there is a whole lot of growth in low fidelity. Good sounding, but small $$ affordable equipment.

I would accept the premise more if there were interviews of Magico, Boulder etc etc and we heard from them about sales.
 
Agree with Kingrex. Denon, Pioneer, Marantz etc. can easily claim they sell one product intended for high quality music reproduction in a home that exceeds $500. Using this criteria, Crutchfild easily qualifies. So does Best Buy. I use Crutchfied often but who thinks of Crutchfield and Best Buy as hi end dealers selling hi end products? What am I not understanding? For this type of analysis to be meaningful, one needs a much more explicit / refined definition of what qualifies as hi end equipment.
 
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There is, of course, no standard definition of "high end." Someone with a million dollar system might not think of a $50k system as high end, but most folks would. In terms of the article, it might be "us" that holds the outlier point of view. I suspect only a tiny sliver of people who listen to music every day have a system even at the lower end of the price spectrum that the average Audioshark or WBF subscriber owns. I think that most folks who listen to music every day can't imagine paying a thousand dollars for a set of speakers or an amp. So, in the broader context of music consumers, the definition of high end adopted in the article might be reasonable. It doesn't make sense only when viewed in the context of our very, very small segment of music consumers
 
With respect to 'growth' apparently Dynaudio will be exiting the US market this fall.
 
Agree with Kingrex. Denon, Pioneer, Marantz etc. can easily claim they sell one product intended for high quality music reproduction in a home that exceeds $500. Using this criteria, Crutchfild easily qualifies. So does Best Buy. I use Crutchfied often but who thinks of Crutchfield and Best Buy as hi end dealers selling hi end products? What am I not understanding? For this type of analysis to be meaningful, one needs a much more explicit / refined definition of what qualifies as hi end equipment.
As long it attracks mainly males, with big houses driving big cars then it is high end.
 
Almost every working crew that comes to my house has some sort of radio playing.

A better metrix is concert tickets. In the 70s, 30,000 tickets sold a year. Every year that has gone up. Today there are around 90,000 sold. I am not sure if that is just Ticket Master or what. Vashon Island where I live has small live music events all the time. Music is still strong.
 
There is, of course, no standard definition of "high end." Someone with a million dollar system might not think of a $50k system as high end, but most folks would. In terms of the article, it might be "us" that holds the outlier point of view. I suspect only a tiny sliver of people who listen to music every day have a system even at the lower end of the price spectrum that the average Audioshark or WBF subscriber owns. I think that most folks who listen to music every day can't imagine paying a thousand dollars for a set of speakers or an amp. So, in the broader context of music consumers, the definition of high end adopted in the article might be reasonable. It doesn't make sense only when viewed in the context of our very, very small segment of music consumers


My adult daughter wanted to get a system, her and husband make decent money, she wanted me to find her something around $400.00 for an amp. I found some good options on older Classe and Krell integrated used but couldn't close the deal, convince her, I showed her Yamaha and Dayton Audio, she liked the looks of the Dayton HTA-200. I found a crazy good deal on used kef R3's and eventually found a vintage Technics turntable for under $100.00.

I do belong to a page on FB where they consider themselves "average". Most don't understand better cables, streamers, etc. I bite my tongue a lot :) Interestingly, I do notice some of them upgrading from things like Wiim to Hi Fi Rose or from a receiver to better integrated. Much depends on the person, their passion, budget, other things the important thing I do see growth or some taking an upgrade path. Some have even tried power products.

Part of me don't see much difference from when I started way back. Sure we have more options now I feel purchases depend much on the economy.

I'm an outlier I was driven and thought nothing of buying a new piece of gear on a credit card. I still did so within my means though. I remember when an entry Krell power amp was $4k and thinking that was expensive. Inflation has definitely taken it's toll when you see what's $4k today.
 
Agree with Kingrex. Denon, Pioneer, Marantz etc. can easily claim they sell one product intended for high quality music reproduction in a home that exceeds $500. Using this criteria, Crutchfild easily qualifies. So does Best Buy. I use Crutchfied often but who thinks of Crutchfield and Best Buy as hi end dealers selling hi end products? What am I not understanding? For this type of analysis to be meaningful, one needs a much more explicit / refined definition of what qualifies as hi end equipment.


High end is one of those things that can't really be defined as everyone has their own perspective or thoughts on what it is.

I agree most don't view Crutchfield as "high end" they do have Levinson and Mac though and some pretty good speakers. I'm not sure what BB has anymore. They lost Mac may still have some Levinson and B&W.
 
Definition of high end is tough. A guy at my coffee shop was just showing me a picture of an old Fisher integrated he has. It had four power tubes and maybe six small tubes. Its $3000 on Ebay. If he refurbished it, it may sound better than many $20,000 integrated.

So where is high end. Honestly, I don't care. It's actually kind of stupid to spend the money we do on gear. My personal perception is that people enjoy music. That is what's important. And I say that, with zero way to back it up. I feel a robust art world shows a healthy society. No way to back that up. If true, that is really all that is important. Not spending $$$ to have hifi. spending money on hifi may show a unhealthy economy as it expresses the divide in wealth. Of course, mostly wealthy buy art. In the days of classical music, it was the wealthy that paid the composers to write. I think its a little different today. Musicians money comes from touring and sale of physical merchandise.
 
I think these comments clearly reinforce the idea that there is no concensus on what hi end means. If one buys a $500 piece of gear and seriously listens to music on a one to one emotional basis vs one who buys it and just uses it for background music listening and / or blasting music at obscene party volume levels , is the $500 receiver hi end or not. The use of a dollar amount as a crtirea is a silly, arbitrary matrix.

Tom Martin is heavily involved with TAS so it is logical that his position on hi end. is biased. TAS is admittedly a publication dedicated to hi end audio and selling magazines. It's in his personal interest to publish a survey indicating growth in the hi end industry. I do like Tom's product videos but unfortunately, this survey is inherently flawed.
 
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Yeah, I feel that 'high-end' is a continuum. When I got out of college, I got a half-time job teaching band in public school. I think it payed 9K for the year. There was a local hi-fi shop in town. I went in one day with a few CDs and listened to a pair of Meadowlark Kestrels through a Bryston amp. I played a Keith Jarrett trio CD and was completely stunned. That was absolutely high-end to me. (Of course I couldn't afford the speakers selling for 1K). A year later I was in Boston and went into Goodwin's. They had a huge pair of Maggies playing some orchestral music. Oh my god.... I kept listening, looking at them, walking around them in a WTF experience. I was hooked on 'high-end'. Well, It's been about 40 years since then and I'd say I have a high-end system. Maybe a good definition of high-end is when your spouse/friends/family (civilians) think that you're crazy for spending so much. Ha - but when they sit in the chair and listen they get that blown-away feeling.
 
Another perspective. Assumption. A person who loves music and connects emotionally with the music on a one to one basis.

I recall a former post on a site I used to visit. The topic was what makes one an audiophile. Please remember some folks can't afford $500. But they can buy ear buds and use their phones as a music source. Anyone one who buys the best gear they can afford and meets the above criteria makes that gear for that person hi end equipment.

Those who are wealthy and spend six figures on a music system and only uses it to impress his friends makes that gear a trophy and, from my view, an absolute waste of space and money.
 
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I think these comments clearly reinforce the idea that there is no concensus on what hi end means. If one buys a $500 piece of gear and seriously listens to music on a one to one emotional basis vs one who buys it and just uses it for background music listening and / or blasting music at obscene party volume levels , is the $500 receiver hi end or not. The use of a dollar amount as a crtirea is a silly, arbitrary matrix.

Tom Martin is heavily involved with TAS so it is logical that his position on hi end. is biased. TAS is admittedly a publication dedicated to hi end audio and selling magazines. It's in his personal interest to publish a survey indicating growth in the hi end industry. I do like Tom's product videos but unfortunately, this survey is inherently flawed.
Clearly, one mans garbage is another's gold. So am I a bad person for using a $10K Integrated for background noise and using it for critical listening when the fancy strikes me. :unsure::unsure::unsure: my friend's consensus is no and that my system meets their criteria. :ROFLMAO:
 
Like all modern day "articles", pick THE variable that makes the point I WANT and let the majority of lazy take it as copy and paste gospel. I have a much different take. This article raises more questions than it answers. No doubt growth of manufacturers has grown but has that really interpreted to the growth of end-user purchase.

My premise is the "inbred customer base" has grown by leaps and bounds, that "inbred" customer base made up of ever increasing # of manufacturers who need other manufacturers products, resellers, "in home resellers" (most wanting a system they can't afford rather any desire to actually sell; case in a point, a very vocal person on another website), reviewers getting industry accommodations on the web or in print, shows and then there are those new markets such as the "Asian Market" we all hear about. Remember a manufacturer makes the same or close to the same, whether a product is sold to an end-user, reseller, in home reseller, reviewer, etc.

Of course, the first variable being ignored by Martin is population growth in general and population growth of developing countries in particular.

This "Asian Market" has eerie similarities to the Japanese Market of the 80s. Those old enough to remember, the massive burst of Japan and Hong Kong markets and power led to one of the biggest economic expansions in modern day history only to see, a burst of those economies leading to one of the worst economic collapses, with the Japanese stock market only now 30+ years later recovering and their debt at historical highs. This "Asian Market" is a fickle market that is NOW burning Porsche and many more to follow

I think anyone posting here knows what "high end" means, without having to put a $ to it and Martin can use $500 but I say BULL to that number which artificially inflates reality.

The price inflation in this industry, has no parallel. Since the early 80s, COLA has grown 4.1x. While there are those who will look at other luxury market and say, OMG look at the prices, Porsche, Ferrari, Rolex, etc. prices have actually grown almost parallel with COLA since the early 80s despite all the current day tariffs, etc. While there aren't many products still around to use as a comparison in high end, there are some such as IRS (but take your pick) and an IRS costing 30K back in 1980 now cost just under a million. Yes, this is anecdote, but anyone who has been involved in this high end knows of the price inflation I am referring to.

There are those who will justify the "high end" pricing and market and say how much the more mainstream market benefits from the "trickle down" effect. I say that it's the HIGH END that is benefitting much more from the trickle up effect, using this cheap mainstream well developed market for their price inflated purposes. Few high-end manufacturers have any real "trickle down" unless you want to look at WADAX, etc. and say, hey you can get 50K DAC that gives you "almost as much" as their 300+K product. Tell the average person about a 50K DAC being a trickle-down product and watch the laughs.

There are those who will claims cost of manufacturing has increased. Actually, just the opposite. Years ago, cost of making a metal cage for an Audio Research to their specs, cost much more per unit referenced to COLA, than the best thick laser etched aluminum casing ubiquitous in today's markets. Same for just about every part used in speakers, amps, pre-amps, dacs, turntables, etc. I am not arguing that the product is not much better, just as our computers are massively better than years ago, but analogous to computers, cost of production is much lower than years ago. I understand "economies of scale" but as I illustrate, the number of worldwide aluminum laser etches, chip manufacturers, etc. has propagated to such extent that ALL are now benefiting from their proliferation. The more successful companies like MSB or Magico can purchase and bring some of this technology in house; a sign of how cheap these manufacturing processes have become that these companies can afford what was once a HUGE investment and unaffordable outlay, which should help mitigate price inflation rather exponential inflate it.

The demographics, particularly in well-known developed are aging males and while attendance at shows by this demographic at shows may be steady, what is outstripping their representation is the ever increasing "press" and manufacturers relative to the end-user. Most of these manufacturers are more concerned about releasing new products at shows, ensuring that reviewers have their products, etc. than they are about having them available for purchase by the typical end-user. I own one of these products, where the new products are everywhere at Vienna, in huge numbers while products announced 2+ years ago have yet to be delivered to us end-users. I use this example to illustrate the "inbred" demand that is outpacing what once was the primary concern, the end-user

Time will tell whether my hypothesis is right or wrong, but I worry that the growing inbred market, much of which is spawned by a fickle and unsustainable "Asian Market" is nothing but a house of cards, waiting for THE unforeseen event to bring it crumbling down. There will definitely be survivors like Magico, Wilson, CH, etc. but this massive growth of manufacturers Martin looks to as a healthy market, is in my opinion, nothing to do with real demand by the end-user but a multivariate inappropriately analyzed marketplace.

Just my perspective. Lots of details I left out, but a summary of and criticism of some of the variables Martin used and left out to make some legitimate points but also draw some, IMHO, unsubstantiate conclusions.
 
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