High-End Audio Faces a Reckoning

Vinyl is alive and well for young people people. Whenever I go to a vinyl shop they are loaded with teens and young adults. A good friend of mine has 2 daughters in their 20s and they are into vinyl.

The elephant in the room is price with high end gear. Young people don't have that kind of money and they worry about the cost of living and money.

Besides, you can put together a great sounding digital system for $1k to $2k. And a vinyl system for about the same.

The issue with the ChiFi gear is reliability and disposabilty. You can't get that stuff repaired.
That’s an interesting perspective and I don’t disagree. Disposable audio perhaps? I mean, if you buy a $399 dac/streamer and it breaks, might not be worth repairing?? I mean, I see my kids (both have jobs and use their own money) just buy new ear buds when the old ones break. Maybe it’s a generational thing? Disposable audio.
 
great post Mike. Audio is its own worst enemy. The negative energy, tribalism and the entire Industry waiting for someone else to help them market. That's the failure. We are living in the golden age of audio. The products are amazing so are the possibilities for amazing results. Stop fighting for every inch and start looking at the bigger picture. People of all generations love music they just don't get the bullshit .
 
That’s an interesting perspective and I don’t disagree. Disposable audio perhaps? I mean, if you buy a $399 dac/streamer and it breaks, might not be worth repairing?? I mean, I see my kids (both have jobs and use their own money) just buy new ear buds when the old ones break. Maybe it’s a generational thing? Disposable audio.
Disposable audio is a good term.
Any of these electronic devices under $500 qualify. Not worth repairing or the hassle.
 
The gateway into great audio is now a headphone system. A music service feeding a Streamer/DAC/AMP/CANS. Extra credit for vinyl. There are some amazing boutique brands like ZMF headphones, hand made in Chicago. Schiit stacks are super popular and outperform gear costing 10x more, and it’s built in Texas and California and designed by Moffat and Stoddard, two of the best audio designers on the planet.

These folks start small and move up to higher performing systems costing in 4 figures. Eventually these folks will graduate to 2 channel and they will be way more discerning than the current market denizens.

Because apart from sound field, headphone systems outperform 2 channel systems in most ways that matter.

But for many younger folks 2 channel is aspirational, at least for now. If you are living in a multi-person apartment, 2 channel is out.

Go to a CanJam, look at the demographics, listen to some systems.
 
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The thread says high end is facing a reckoning, like one foot in the grave and on life support. Then we have those talking gateway drug as if those buying cheap gear will eventually buy high end. This leads me to believe high end will always be here as it has always been. So which is it?

We have cheap decent sounding gear. We really have always had that. Now we are just seeing it more abundant. That may actually help high end as those users become more financially capable.

I think the OP is saying people are leaving their systems to gravitate to ChiFi. No one is doing that! Downsizing don't count.

Will the people buying entry level gear upgrade someday? Many variables. It comes down to passion and if you can hear the difference, assuming they have the financial means.

Purchasers of audio tastes and needs have always changed and the industry has changed with it. That's, not, going to change. Where's large woofer bulky box speakers today? Anyone remember how everyone was going to buy sub/sat systems and showrooms were flooded? Silver face, black face, audio is always changing. But, you know what, it is still here. I think it can be argued that high end is stronger than ever due to audio shows. Businesses have problems based on decisions made, some go under. Show me where high end companies are dropping like flies today.

Younger people are getting into LP's more than ever, most I talk to or read about say it's due to the sound. I belong to several audio groups on social media, many of them are guys who are into vintage gear. Some try these cheap Chi-Fi like Fozi, not sure if spelled correctly, the point is many of them through that stuff away and end up moving on. Those who want music to sound like music will buy gear that sounds like music.

I definitely agree high end gear is too expensive. I can name models that have pretty much double in price over the last few years.

Bottomline high end isn't going anywhere.
 
The thread says high end is facing a reckoning, like one foot in the grave and on life support. Then we have those talking gateway drug as if those buying cheap gear will eventually buy high end. This leads me to believe high end will always be here as it has always been. So which is it?

We have cheap decent sounding gear. We really have always had that. Now we are just seeing it more abundant. That may actually help high end as those users become more financially capable.

I think the OP is saying people are leaving their systems to gravitate to ChiFi. No one is doing that! Downsizing don't count.

Will the people buying entry level gear upgrade someday? Many variables. It comes down to passion and if you can hear the difference, assuming they have the financial means.

Purchasers of audio tastes and needs have always changed and the industry has changed with it. That's, not, going to change. Where's large woofer bulky box speakers today? Anyone remember how everyone was going to buy sub/sat systems and showrooms were flooded? Silver face, black face, audio is always changing. But, you know what, it is still here. I think it can be argued that high end is stronger than ever due to audio shows. Businesses have problems based on decisions made, some go under. Show me where high end companies are dropping like flies today.

Younger people are getting into LP's more than ever, most I talk to or read about say it's due to the sound. I belong to several audio groups on social media, many of them are guys who are into vintage gear. Some try these cheap Chi-Fi like Fozi, not sure if spelled correctly, the point is many of them through that stuff away and end up moving on. Those who want music to sound like music will buy gear that sounds like music.

I definitely agree high end gear is too expensive. I can name models that have pretty much double in price over the last few years.

Bottomline high end isn't going anywhere.
everyone has to start somewhere. I did and I am sure most if not all of you did as well. I had some bookshelves and a basic stereo receiver and that was a huge step up over my compact and lafayette headphones. The trip is fun sadly the industry has IMO lost that and has become way to NON fun.
 
The thread says high end is facing a reckoning, like one foot in the grave and on life support. Then we have those talking gateway drug as if those buying cheap gear will eventually buy high end. This leads me to believe high end will always be here as it has always been. So which is it?

We have cheap decent sounding gear. We really have always had that. Now we are just seeing it more abundant. That may actually help high end as those users become more financially capable.

I think the OP is saying people are leaving their systems to gravitate to ChiFi. No one is doing that! Downsizing don't count.

Will the people buying entry level gear upgrade someday? Many variables. It comes down to passion and if you can hear the difference, assuming they have the financial means.

Purchasers of audio tastes and needs have always changed and the industry has changed with it. That's, not, going to change. Where's large woofer bulky box speakers today? Anyone remember how everyone was going to buy sub/sat systems and showrooms were flooded? Silver face, black face, audio is always changing. But, you know what, it is still here. I think it can be argued that high end is stronger than ever due to audio shows. Businesses have problems based on decisions made, some go under. Show me where high end companies are dropping like flies today.

Younger people are getting into LP's more than ever, most I talk to or read about say it's due to the sound. I belong to several audio groups on social media, many of them are guys who are into vintage gear. Some try these cheap Chi-Fi like Fozi, not sure if spelled correctly, the point is many of them through that stuff away and end up moving on. Those who want music to sound like music will buy gear that sounds like music.

I definitely agree high end gear is too expensive. I can name models that have pretty much double in price over the last few years.

Bottomline high end isn't going anywhere.
I guess some people are going to start and stop at chifi and not go further. My hopes are it becomes an audio stepping stone.
 
We should request Headphonesty to rank the best and worst "audiophile" forums online.........Anybody care to start the list?
One could use traffic to determine the best and worst audiophile forums.

For example, Here’s what public traffic-estimator Similarweb reports for audioshark.org in May 2025:
  • Global rank: ~1,168,524
  • U.S. rank (Consumer Electronics): ~619,589; Category rank (U.S.): #3,105
  • Monthly visits: ~23,800 (down ~23% from previous month)
  • Bounce rate: ~47.6%
  • Pages per visit: ~1.52
  • Average time on site: ~9 seconds
Headphonesy:
  • headphonesty.com (Global #137K; ~385K visits/month)
ASR has $1.4 million visitors per month.
  • Global rank: ~#38,877
  • U.S. category rank (Consumer Electronics): ~#141
  • Total monthly visits: ~1.4 million (virtually unchanged month‑over‑month)
  • Bounce rate: ~51.7%
  • Pages per visit: ~3.02
  • Average session duration: ~3 minutes 18 seconds
Take What’s Best Forum;
  • A site‑traffic aggregator estimates ~16,500 unique visitors per day, which translates to roughly ≈495,000 unique visitors per month.
  • The same estimate suggests ~27,555 page‑views per day and ~757,350 page‑views per month.
  • The site is ranked at approx #177,920 globally according to that source.
Based on traffic, ASR tops all of them.
 
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I think the OP is saying people are leaving their systems to gravitate to ChiFi. No one is doing that! Downsizing don't count.
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No, I am not saying that.
Read my post again and read what others are saying.
You can always ask ChatGPT to summarize it for you.
 
Based on traffic, ASR tops all of them.
Hi - I used to work in digital marketing. Those public stats are completely useless and do not reflect real traffic.

It's completely model based and not based on any real actual data in many instances.

It's about as accurate as Zillow for estimating the actual value of a house. Which is to say - not in the least.
 
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