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So Elliot is leaving. Danny seems like he reluctantly got sucked into doing the show, If not for his few music recos I probably would never watch it. Jay is Mr. grievance, I think he loves being platformed and Ron will oblige hm. Meanwhile, those customers that actually support the hobby/industry have better things to do (like listen to their system) than join a pity party.
 
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I enjoyed the show, but truthfully, it may have run its course.. Elliot and Jay had some interesting perspectives on different topics. Not sure I gained a lot from Danny’s music selections. Ron was good at creating controversy, which I’m sure pissed off his partner at who’s deaf. LOL.
 
Lee Scoggins said:
If the content is interesting, I believe it can be useful to audiophiles.
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Didn't Elliot come up with the show and everything?

Is so shouldn't Ron come up with his own name/show since it's not his?

He can call it the "HiFi One - Don't Worry We Won't Delete Your Youtube Comments Asking for Jay And Elliot Back""
 
In life, change is inevitable. Both Elliot and Jay will be missed.

Glad Ron moved on from the previous topics to a conversation with Lee and Norman. Great nuggets on how to setup a system and the importance of the room - everything matters!
 
Ritmo said:
In life, change is inevitable. Both Elliot and Jay will be missed.

Glad Ron moved on from the previous topics to a conversation with Lee and Norman. Great nuggets on how to setup a system and the importance of the room - everything matters!
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Maybe he should call the show "Ron's Tiny Nuggets"? ;)
 
I applaud Ron for trying to keep this going, he seems very sincere. The name notwithstanding, its obviously a new and different show now-75% of the panel gone. I thought the old show was interesting and refreshing. There were honest discussions about the business end of the hobby that impacts consumers who pay for it all. I didn't always agree with Elliott and Jay, but appreciated their insights and candor. I have no idea what happened behind the scenes. If there were out of public view efforts to quash the conversation, that's sad and demonstrates a remarkable smallness of character by those who fear honest discussion. Hopefully, no such thing happened.

I hope Ron's new show succeeds. Seems likely he will avoid any panelists who might challenge the status quo, but maybe there will be some interesting technical topics. I hope it doesn't become just another generic YouTube thing. The old show was unique and will be missed, at least by some of us.
 
I like the idea of rotating experts going in deep on a topic. I believe Danny is still involved but picking the episodes he is excited about.
 
Kramer64 said:
I applaud Ron for trying to keep this going, he seems very sincere. The name notwithstanding, its obviously a new and different show now-75% of the panel gone. I thought the old show was interesting and refreshing. There were honest discussions about the business end of the hobby that impacts consumers who pay for it all. I didn't always agree with Elliott and Jay, but appreciated their insights and candor. I have no idea what happened behind the scenes. If there were out of public view efforts to quash the conversation, that's sad and demonstrates a remarkable smallness of character by those who fear honest discussion. Hopefully, no such thing happened.

I hope Ron's new show succeeds. Seems likely he will avoid any panelists who might challenge the status quo, but maybe there will be some interesting technical topics. I hope it doesn't become just another generic YouTube thing. The old show was unique and will be missed, at least by some of us.
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What do you think would happen behind the scenes if 5 practicing lawyers decided to start a podcast trashing other prominent lawyers?
 
mep said:
What do you think would happen behind the scenes if 5 practicing lawyers decided to start a podcast trashing other prominent lawyers?
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I will answer your question as best I can so bear with me. It is not unheard of that lawyers are subject to criticism, sometimes by colleagues in the bar. I’ve held public offices, and have received everything from death threats from serious people to outrageous public criticism, so I understand the concept. In the example you gave, if the offended lawyers thought that the criticism violated a canon of ethics, it might be reported to the Bar Association. Otherwise, there might be a public response. If defamatory statements were involved, litigation might be an option. I can tell you what i think would not happen. The “prominent” lawyers would not make an under the table effort to threaten the business relationships of those who publicly criticized the “prominent” lawyers in order to coerce silence. If they did so, that itself would likely be a violation of the ethical rules and would be punished.

So that’s my honest answer to your question. Here, we’re talking about magazines that write about listening to music. I hope the publishers would not stoop to behind the scenes skullduggery because someone questioned practices that have been well known for a long time. That would be sad.

I’m not an enemy of the prominent magazines. I’m a paid subscriber and I look forward to getting my copy every month. Some of the content is really good. The magazines are free to conduct their business as they choose, but maybe there are ways to improve that would enhance the credibility of the magazines and be good for the hobby.

Just my opinion, and I am often wrong
 
BendingWave said:
lawyers get disbarred for taking free stuff, so do Doctors
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This is Google AI response when asked if doctor's can still accept money and free vacations from drug companies:

"Yes, doctors in the U.S. are still allowed to receive money and, in some cases, travel from pharmaceutical companies, though regulations are much stricter than in the past. Such relationships must be for legitimate services—like consulting or research—rather than for prescribing, and all payments over $10 must be publicly disclosed via the Open Payments Database."
 
mep said:
This is Google AI response when asked if doctor's can still accept money and free vacations from drug companies:

"Yes, doctors in the U.S. are still allowed to receive money and, in some cases, travel from pharmaceutical companies, though regulations are much stricter than in the past. Such relationships must be for legitimate services—like consulting or research—rather than for prescribing, and all payments over $10 must be publicly disclosed via the Open Payments Database."
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Let me ask you a question.
I saw that Danish Audio Group unvailed some new stuff in Denmark. I get it when a company invites their dealers and distributors to show them new stuff in the hope that they will place orders and sell stuff for them. This is basic business.
However when they fly press from the USA, wine them , dine them, pay for all their expenses please explain what that is for?
I saw a video where one reviewer couldn't stop talking about the food, the hotel etc.
Please what is that? is that not a perk...or more? Please explai n what is that end game.
I also saw that D'Agostino did the same thing, reviewer talked about how it was the best steakhouse he ever was at.

Maybe I am missing something here and if so tell me what it is?
Its not enough to loan stuff , its not enough to let them keep it for months and years?
Please explain this to all of us ,
Thank you
 
BendingWave said:
Let me ask you a question.
I saw that Danish Audio Group unvailed some new stuff in Denmark. I get it when a company invites their dealers and distributors to show them new stuff in the hope that they will place orders and sell stuff for them. This is basic business.
However when they fly press from the USA, wine them , dine them, pay for all their expenses please explain what that is for?
I saw a video where one reviewer couldn't stop talking about the food, the hotel etc.
Please what is that? is that not a perk...or more? Please explai n what is that end game.
I also saw that D'Agostino did the same thing, reviewer talked about how it was the best steakhouse he ever was at.

Maybe I am missing something here and if so tell me what it is?
Its not enough to loan stuff , its not enough to let them keep it for months and years?
Please explain this to all of us ,
Thank you
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I get your point. It's hard for me to relate to that because I have never been a part of it. Every time I have gone to an audio show, I paid for the airfare, rental car, hotel, and my meals.

It's not for me to justify/explain why high-end audio companies are willing to wine and dine reviewers and/or pay for them to travel overseas for new product introductions. Ditto for the practice of long-term loans of gear.

I've previously said I own everything in my stereo system and I return gear sent to me for review immediately after I finish my review.
 
Can you see a possible conflict ?
Can you see a possible reason for doubt?
Can you see a possible exertion of influence?
Do you think some might expect something in return?
Can you answer and be honest ?
 
BendingWave said:
Let me ask you a question.
I saw that Danish Audio Group unvailed some new stuff in Denmark. I get it when a company invites their dealers and distributors to show them new stuff in the hope that they will place orders and sell stuff for them. This is basic business.
However when they fly press from the USA, wine them , dine them, pay for all their expenses please explain what that is for?
I saw a video where one reviewer couldn't stop talking about the food, the hotel etc.
Please what is that? is that not a perk...or more? Please explai n what is that end game.
I also saw that D'Agostino did the same thing, reviewer talked about how it was the best steakhouse he ever was at.

Maybe I am missing something here and if so tell me what it is?
Its not enough to loan stuff , its not enough to let them keep it for months and years?
Please explain this to all of us ,
Thank you
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I believe you are missing something here. The audio industry is not analogous to law or medicine. Did you have to take audio boards, or get a license from the state to practice audio sales? Consumers of material products are responsible for their due diligence, and no one is going to die from making a suboptimal purchase. This isn't to take anything away from your business, as I do admire and respect your acumen. The bottom line is all of the above activities are part of manufacturing, marketing and sales in many industries. There really isn't something sacred about the audio industry where this is immoral. Suboptimal, yes. Is it fraud? I think that's a stretch.
You are dying on the hill of this presumed immorality, and it hasn't been pretty to watch.
 
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Ricky64 said:
I believe you are missing something here. The audio industry is not analogous to law or medicine. Did you have to take audio boards, or get a license from the state to practice audio sales? Consumers of material products are responsible for their due diligence, and no one is going to die from making a suboptimal purchase. This isn't to take anything away from your business, as I do admire and respect your acumen. The bottom line is all of the above activities are part of manufacturing, marketing and sales in many industries. There really isn't something sacred about the audio industry where this is immoral. Suboptimal, yes. Is it fraud? I think that's a stretch.
You are dying on the hill of this immorality, and it hasn't been pretty to watch.
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I appreciate your take on this. I agree with your impression that Elliot is "dying on the hill of this immorality..."

By his own admission on this thread, he used his Fab 5 podcast to rip the scab off of activities he didn't like in the high-end. Elliot also admitted he caused harm to friends/partners involved in the high-end audio business.

His real targets apparently were audio mags that allow/encourage the use of long-term gear loans for their reviewers as well as select reviewers, but it was a colossal failure. Instead of companies changing their policies to please Elliot, it had the opposite effect. The only blowback from certain members of the high-end audio industry was focused on Elliot and the heat was hot enough that he felt compelled to quit the Fab 5.
 
BendingWave said:
Can you see a possible conflict ?
Can you see a possible reason for doubt?
Can you see a possible exertion of influence?
Do you think some might expect something in return?
Can you answer and be honest ?
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It's not my fight, it's yours. I explained how I conduct myself. I never signed up to police the high-end audio industry against things you don't like. You took that role on and had to cave because of the heat and harm you caused to people that were collateral damage in your scab picking mission. As a result of the blowback you received, you resigned from the Fab 5.
 
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