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BendingWave said:
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I spent a fair amount of time watching this, and I find myself wondering how it can be that speakers costing hundreds of thousands of dollars can be considered relevant to an audio community that simply doesn’t live in that world. We have a good hobby. It would seem beneficial to our community to have it be perceived as more accessible to people who have to live a real world existence.
 
2FarGone said:
I spent a fair amount of time watching this, and I find myself wondering how it can be that speakers costing hundreds of thousands of dollars can be considered relevant to an audio community that simply doesn’t live in that world. We have a good hobby. It would seem beneficial to our community to have it be perceived as more accessible to people who have to live a real world existence.
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agreed, talking about the.5% customer and million dollar speaker is absurd, they need to get back to real life and quit feeding ones ego, I actually turned it off after about 40 minutes
 
Porsche said:
agreed, talking about the.5% customer and million dollar speaker is absurd, they need to get back to real life and quit feeding ones ego, I actually turned it off after about 40 minutes
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ignoring the trends doesn't make them go away. This is what the magazines and all the press talk about. Do I think its good for the Industry as a whole? No I don't but pretending they don't exist doesnt help either.
 
I thought it was a really good show with an interesting guest and good conversation. We should have enough self-awareness, however, to realize that folks selling six figure-sometimes mid to upper six figure systems and those of us who buy them are viewed with exactly the same skepticism, or worse, by the vast majority of audiophiles as was expressed concerning the million dollar products. Its a strange aspect of this hobby that how other people spend their money is such a point of division. What motivates someone to buy a million dollar speaker, or a $200,000 speaker or a $500 speaker? I don't know unless they tell me.

I suspect some of these trends will be reset during the next extended economic downturn. That usually pops a lot of bubbles, and economic cycles are still a thing. At any rate, I enjoyed the show.
 
I don't care nor want to tell anyone how to spend their money however these products are not all created for the same reasons. If they can't differentiate themselves from the crowd then why are they out there?
is being the most expensive the only criteria?
 
BendingWave said:
I don't care nor want to tell anyone how to spend their money however these products are not all created for the same reasons. If they can't differentiate themselves from the crowd then why are they out there?
is being the most expensive the only criteria?
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I think it's a race to see who can put the highest price tag on a product. a speaker at a million is absurd, I get it, its a statement piece and they will sell a pair im sure but they are not selling that product to a "audiophile" and I agree with what you said last light about your $600k speaker being equal/better/etc. I get it takes alot to get 5% better but alot of this gear is to float ones ego and nothing more

its ones money to spend but its not realistic and to be honest I haven't heard a borrenson yet that I thought was worth the asking price, but to each there own
 
Porsche said:
I think it's a race to see who can put the highest price tag on a product. a speaker at a million is absurd, I get it, its a statement piece and they will sell a pair im sure but they are not selling that product to a "audiophile" and I agree with what you said last light about your $600k speaker being equal/better/etc. I get it takes alot to get 5% better but alot of this gear is to float ones ego and nothing more

its ones money to spend but its not realistic and to be honest I haven't heard a borrenson yet that I thought was worth the asking price, but to each there own
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exactly all companies are not equal. Some are obviously better and are far more along in getting better sound., others are lost in technology and buzz words.
A technical change does not mean its a sonic advance but it usually makes it more expensive!!!
watch the video of the release lots of tech mumbo jumbo but nothing about sound.
 
Kramer64 said:
Its a strange aspect of this hobby that how other people spend their money is such a point of division.
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There will always be those who sniff self-righteously at the way other people spend their money. That isn’t the issue, or at least it wasn’t what I was referring to.

I was referring more to a general perception by the culture around me that this hobby is only pursued by a lunatic fringe of balding, paunchy old men withdrawing from the world around them, spending absurd amounts of money on wire of all things, and sitting in the dark to listen to a stereo that no one else can appreciate. Guys that listen to train sounds instead of music. As @BendingWave noted, the glossy magazines appear to reinforce that stereotype, and engineer Lynn Olson seems to agree in his article “Illusion Engines”, even though that article is pretty outdated at this point.

Changing that perception is a little like turning the Titanic. It takes a while, so how about an episode featuring people who are trying to raise awareness that this hobby can actually be available to anyone with an appreciation for good sound? I’d watch it.
 
some products change the landscape, reset the parameters and teach us how to be get better. Many don't do any of those things. There is a lot of me - too in audio.

I can't and wont
tell anyone how to spend their money but I do try to point out value where it exists and where it definitely doesn't.

I don't care what consumer products you want to buy some offer value, some offer superior quality, some offer prestige, and others don't offer much of anything but perhaps status of some kind.
Audio for me does not need to cost millions to get great sound let alone good sound.
If my own brand came to me and said Elliot we want to build a 2 million dollar speaker I would laugh but this would never happen as Oliver does not think like that.

If one is to challenge the state of the art, to build something better than than anything else that maybe nobel but its only valid IMO if they succeed. Its really easy to make something more pricey, add lots of techie mumble jumble, add fancy really rare and expensive techniques and materials but those do not mean the product is better.

The proof is not in a group of paid visitors and the cold chicken brigade its inthe result. Are these items that change the Industry ?
 
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