Hegel - Made In China - Who Cares?

kiwi_1282001 said:
Hello robhifi,


Thanks for the post. Really interesting to read that Hegel may have contracted manufacture to Shanglin Audio of South China and to note that Shanglin has a significant shareholding in YBA, a company founded by a French electronics professor who had earlier worked for Goldmund.


I think the point myself and others are making about Hegel is that they should be upfront, transparent and honest about where their products are made – and that they potentially do themselves a disservice by doing otherwise.


I look forward to reading your long awaited update on the Raidho X1 loudspeakers.
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Long awaited indeed Kiwi and sorry for the delay.
I just called up the dealer and it would take another 2 weeks or so for delivery from Hong kong the regional distributor to Shanghai:wacko:.

But what I promised, I will deliver.
 
Mike said:
I can't think of two solid state amps in the same price range that have a more different sound than the Mc601's and Hegel H30 - and I've owned both. The Mc601's provide endless hours of extremely musical, fatigue free listening. The Hegel is more of your "Euro" sound. Clean, precise, balanced, yet still musical. Both are awesome and I would love to own them both again!
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McIntosh 601's - monoblocks amplifiers, made in the USA - price 14kk. 93lb each monoblock.

Hegel H30 Stereo amp, made in China - price 15k. 99lbs weight.


McIntosh pays real wages , provides two chassis all for a cheaper price than the Hegel.

Hegel pays cheap Chinese labor costs , provides it all in one chassis for a more expensive price.

To me, Hegel is ripping off its customers by refusing to make it clear that they are made in China and not passing on these MUCH lower costs go the customer.

For how I spend my money, I would never contemplate Hegel as they show a total disregard to their customers.



Cheers
 
XV-1 said:
McIntosh 601's - monoblocks amplifiers, made in the USA - price 14kk. 93lb each monoblock.

Hegel H30 Stereo amp, made in China - price 15k. 99lbs weight.


McIntosh pays real wages , provides two chassis all for a cheaper price than the Hegel.

Hegel pays cheap Chinese labor costs , provides it all in one chassis for a more expensive price.

To me, Hegel is ripping off its customers by refusing to make it clear that they are made in China and not passing on these MUCH lower costs go the customer.

For how I spend my money, I would never contemplate Hegel as they show a total disregard to their customers.



Cheers
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How would you rate the sound Hegel verses Mac just asking never heard them side by side. Would you agree with what Mike wrote.
 
XV-1 said:
McIntosh 601's - monoblocks amplifiers, made in the USA - price 14kk. 93lb each monoblock.

Hegel H30 Stereo amp, made in China - price 15k. 99lbs weight.


McIntosh pays real wages , provides two chassis all for a cheaper price than the Hegel.

Hegel pays cheap Chinese labor costs , provides it all in one chassis for a more expensive price.

To me, Hegel is ripping off its customers by refusing to make it clear that they are made in China and not passing on these MUCH lower costs go the customer.

For how I spend my money, I would never contemplate Hegel as they show a total disregard to their customers.



Cheers
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You would have to have detailed financial data from both companies to credibly make these claims. Just sayin'
 
Garth said:
How would you rate the sound Hegel verses Mac just asking never heard them side by side. Would you agree with what Mike wrote.
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Both were some of my favorite amps of all time and let's not forget which amp won my fun little blind amp shootout.

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Garth said:
How would you rate the sound Hegel verses Mac just asking never heard them side by side. Would you agree with what Mike wrote.
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Don't care how Hegel sounds, I would not contemplate buying them due to their lack of transparency where they are made - why do they hide the fact?

Plenty of other great sounding amps to choose from

Smile said:
You would have to have detailed financial data from both companies to credibly make these claims. Just sayin'
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If it does not pass the smell test. Common sense on pay rates will tell you most.
 
I bought my Hegel H30 for one reason, it sounds fantastic! I didn't know where it was made, and to be honest, it makes no difference to me. I do think a product should have a place of manufacture sticker, or something like that, to show where it is made.
But I'm sure as Hell not going to sell it.
 
I remarked on the Audiogon thread that there was some subtle racism/xenophobia going on, and the butt-sore screeching reaction I got from one of the resident gas-bags there about my "lack of character" was LMFAO funny.
 
Correction. Hegel's manufacturing is actually contracted to the Beijing based Opera Audio(owner of the Consonance brand) instead of Shanglin as mentioned in my previous post.
The rumour is that Opera is also involved in the design.
 
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My biggest issue with China is the counterfeiting, it's such a huge problem and costs legit enterprises in all sorts of different industries amazing amount of money. Also, the computer hacking, environmental and human rights abuses are hard to ignore.

But that said you can't say that all Chinese companies are the same, just like anywhere there will be good and bad so I don't condemn all Chinese goods. I would prefer to buy goods that are made in the USA and I will pay a premium for it, within reason. I also don't appreciate American companies who outsource, especially if they could be manufacturing in the USA for the prices they charge.
 
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I was just looking thru the TAS Recommended list sparked by Mikes post earlier today about Triode Corp.

There are several Ads for Hegel gear but whoever writes this stuff speaks another language.

"The new integrated amplifier is one of the most versatile and well sounding reproducers on the market"

Can anyone explain what "Well Sounding" means? :)
 
Shadowfax said:
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I was just looking thru the TAS Recommended list sparked by Mikes post earlier today about Triode Corp.

There are several Ads for Hegel gear but whoever writes this stuff speaks another language.

"The new integrated amplifier is one of the most versatile and well sounding reproducers on the market"

Can anyone explain what "Well Sounding" means? :)
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Brian.......The opposite of sick? :rolleyes:
 
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