Hegel - Made In China - Who Cares?

still-one said:
I could write a book on the good and bad of Chinese manufacturing. You can find instances to support any position you wish to take, which is why it is impossible to paint what goes on there with broad brush strokes. As long as the American public is unwilling to pay a premium to retain jobs here is the US, companies will continue to move production or source from lower wage regions. In 50 years we will be left with lawyers who specializes in bringing cases seeking damages for personal injury and part time McDonald workers.



As far a Hegel goes. No matter where their product is manufactured it sounds pretty good. I can't say as much for its industrial design.
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Jim, McDonalds will be out of business within 15 years...... watch this space!!!!
 
BlueFox said:
My Lumin is designed and manufactured in China, and it seems fine My Aerial Acoustics 7T cabinets are made in Cihina, but the speaker is assembled here. In general I do not have a problem with made in China, but I have more respect for Pass, Magico, Shunyata, and others building products here, and paying living wages to their employees.

However until China stops government run hacking of American businesses, stops their rampant pollution, stops exporting poisoned baby powder and pet food, stops blowing up industrial areas by storing volatile chemicals, stops imprisioning political dissenters, stops censoring the Internet, and etc., etc., etc. I have no problem with trade sanctions against them, and forbidding the export of jobs to China.
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..seriously!!!!!!!! go & blow something up will ya!!!
 
China is a big place their are Companies doing it right and making good products. Many others copying using cheap parts and that see nothing wrong with that.

I have been to China every year since 1999 doing business their is not easy but their are Companies that can and do great work. Made in Germany or USA does not always mean great work.

Hating China is popular but not right just the way people are . A product should be judged on its own not where it was made. Buy good quality and service in the best sounding gear you like it is that simple. Hate who ever you like but it is a waste of time hating.
 
Chappypie China Time.... I often wonder about the underlying Chinese agenda.

From dairy farm verticals on Australian soil to a $500 million Chinese cultural theme park with a tax free religious place of worship, $1m investment incentive for an Australian immigration family Visa and 1000 jobs to anyone with a 457 visa for the project. Is this the future of FTA?

Chappypie China Theme Park hits first major stumbling block - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Yes I do employ a Chinese-Australian resident. Yes we do enjoy Chinese food, and yes Hong Kong is an interesting place to visit. But, when it comes to Made in China, particularly HiFi where counterfeit is culturally endemic, I am sceptical.
 
BlueFox said:
My Lumin is designed and manufactured in China, and it seems fine My Aerial Acoustics 7T cabinets are made in Cihina, but the speaker is assembled here. In general I do not have a problem with made in China, but I have more respect for Pass, Magico, Shunyata, and others building products here, and paying living wages to their employees.

However until China stops government run hacking of American businesses, stops their rampant pollution, stops exporting poisoned baby powder and pet food, stops blowing up industrial areas by storing volatile chemicals, stops imprisioning political dissenters, stops censoring the Internet, and etc., etc., etc. I have no problem with trade sanctions against them, and forbidding the export of jobs to China.
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Bud ,

I do agree with you somewhat on this , well, as long as you recognize the Irony .... :)
 
It's a world economy. We have American cars made in Mexico. We have German and Japanese cars made in America.
Lots of goods are designed one place and made in another. It all comes down to the actual execution of the manufacturing process.
I've owned and still own Classe gear, it's been nothing short of first class all the way.
 
in manufacturing/technology this has become a small world, there are no more secrets. any country now has the ability to make anything they want if they have the desire to compete on the international stage. China just happens to be a very desirous country...
 
I think the bottom line is that the best companies who have outsourced their manufacturing to China have their own management team in place in China. The export everything they need to assemble the electronics or speakers to China and they keep a close eye on the Chinese people who are doing the assembling and they perform all of the QC. In other words, they don't just email a copy of their drawings and build of material from their home countries and cross their fingers and hope what gets shipped is close to what they expected. The 'good' companies are strictly using the Chinese for cheap labor.

You mark my words, if this hasn't already happened, it will happen soon enough:When people sell their Dynaudio speakers that were manufactured before the Chinese took ownership, they will clearly state that in their ad. The problem is future support. How long will it be before the Dynaudio drivers will no longer be the same quality they were before the Chinese took over? I won't be surprised if the value of all Dyanaudio speakers declines because of the Chinese ownership.

I wonder what is going to happen when the world runs out of cheap labor to exploit in far off exotic lands? The working conditions in China are terrible for those who work in factories. In case anyone has missed it, the factory where Apple products are assembled have catch nets outside the windows to catch those who try and commit suicide because there were so many suicides. And they aren't the only factory in China with catch nets. I thought it was highly ironic that in the first wave of outsourcing, all the American companies were looking to Mexico as a source of cheap labor. We share a large border with Mexico which means trucking raw materials and finished products between the two countries is fairly cost effective. That arrangement worked for awhile, but then all of a sudden it became cheaper to outsource the jobs to China even though they are an ocean away and the cost of shipping was dramatically different. So as cheap as the Mexican labor was, they couldn't begin to compete with Chinese labor costs even though the shipping costs are way higher. How pathetic is that?
 
Depending on the product there are cheaper places to manufacture than China. Cheap labor will be around for some time. Remember by mid-century India's population will be greater than China's.

As I noted earlier you can find examples of terrible working conditions in China yet in many operations with ties to US, European or Japanese firms you couldn't tell the difference in a plant in China from one in the US or Germany. The same standards and working conditions are applied across the board.

The environmental standards in some areas are more stringent in China or Mexico than in Texas. I am not so naive to believe than some Chinese companies get away with not having to meet those standards when Joint Venture operations are.
 
On one board people bitch about cheap China product and labour rates working conditions. On the next board the same guys are bitching about the high cost of audio products from pick any country USA Germany and swiss .

The product can be built any where by any person of any colour or nationality if they have the skill and the right parts and gear to do it with.

Going to China looking only for the lowest price will not get you a good product . Pay a fare price and you will get good people doing a good job.

The pay rate is low in China compared to USA or others but their are good things from China. It is not a land of rip offs cheap junk and dishonest people that poor and stupid people build. Their is plenty of stupid right here at home along with dishonest with lots of rip offs to boot.

Lots of good people in China doing good work with out a WHITE GUY in site. If a product is heavy on labour cheaper labour will have a edge.

This is what is called a RANT here in Canada. If I find a builder doing a great product i want or need I am not going to pass it by because he or she is Asian .

Some of you are starting to sound like the KKK
 
Garth said:
On one board people bitch about cheap China product and labour rates working conditions. On the next board the same guys are bitching about the high cost of audio products from pick any country USA Germany and swiss .

The product can be built any where by any person of any colour or nationality if they have the skill and the right parts and gear to do it with.

Going to China looking only for the lowest price will not get you a good product . Pay a fare price and you will get good people doing a good job.

The pay rate is low in China compared to USA or others but their are good things from China. It is not a land of rip offs cheap junk and dishonest people that poor and stupid people build. Their is plenty of stupid right here at home along with dishonest with lots of rip offs to boot.

Lots of good people in China doing good work with out a WHITE GUY in site. If a product is heavy on labour cheaper labour will have a edge.

This is what is called a RANT here in Canada. If I find a builder doing a great product i want or need I am not going to pass it by because he or she is Asian .

Some of you are starting to sound like the KKK
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Say what ... Sounds like a ton of projecting to me ...... Lol :)
 
Just to refresh the focus, Mike's original question was, does "Made in China" bother you or is it a case of "who cares? I'm getting a great product at a great price!"?
 
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