gordon
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Are you sure you're not conflating protests against Israel's actions in Gaza with anti-semitism. Perhaps you should've posted the entire article for a more complete picture.
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Are you sure you're not conflating protests against Israel's actions in Gaza with anti-semitism. Perhaps you should've posted the entire article for a more complete picture.
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Absolutely not !
Michaels HiFi
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I did post an entire article on one of them. It is there in my post.
Here they are attacking Jews in a restaurant in San Jose.....simply for being Jewish.: https://nypost.com/2026/03/18/us-ne...an-jose-attack-on-jewish-diners-a-hate-crime/
Here they are painting swastikas on a Jewish Deli in NYC: https://nypost.com/2023/10/17/nyc-deli-vandalized-with-swastika-after-pro-israel-posts/
Here is one where a nurse refused to treat Jewish patients: https://nypost.com/2025/02/26/us-news/nurse-facing-federal-charges-over-antisemitic-threats/
Here is another nurse going after Jewish people on the streets this week: https://nypost.com/2026/04/08/us-ne...c-attack-on-israeli-tourists-in-times-square/
Here in Chicago they went after Jewish students: https://nypost.com/2026/04/01/us-news/university-of-illinois-chicago-accused-of-failing-to-protect-jewish-students-from-antisemitism-surrounded-and-mobbed/
If you watch the news and read the NYC police reports, you'll see students barging into classrooms, demand Jews identify themselves and demand Jews wear the Star of David so they can be identified. They also wave the flags of terrorist organizations. That is not "I'm just against Israel killing terroritst" stance.
I have an undergrad degree in Middle East studies. I know more about the history of the Middle East, Israel, Palestinians, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. than 100,000 of the "protesters" combined. Literally.
We all know the "I'm only calling out Gaza and I'm not an anti-semite" is a false narrative. There is no distinction except in their own heads to make themselves feel better.
We literally have terrorist in the gov calling for the destruction of Israel: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-resolution/845/text
So let's not play the phony-intellectual game of using different words to not call it what it really is.
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gordon
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I was referring to the screenshot of the NY Times article, in which the students were protesting Israel's actions in Gaza. Though, being young, some of their arguments/protest are bit confused.
I have not seen, nor even have the slightest clue about, the hate speech post you're railing agains.
Michaels HiFi
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Hmmm.....I provided 6 links to stories but you are focusing on the one screen shot from the NYT. That is very, very telling.
Do you consider calling out specific disgusting vile anti-Semitic posts and acts as "railing"?
Do you condemn anti-semitism in all its forms even when masquerading as something different?
Sadly we all know the truth of your stance.
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gordon
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I condemn all hate speech including anti-semitism. I also don't think that condemning Israel's actions in Gaza is anti-semitic. To me, it's pro-humanitarian.
For the record, I don't consider the NY Post as a serious publication. Too tabloid for me, and there are better options like 2 other NYC publications, Wall Street Journal or NY Times.
For the record, I don't consider the NY Post as a serious publication. Too tabloid for me, and there are better options like 2 other NYC publications, Wall Street Journal or NY Times.
Michaels HiFi
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You have a chance to call out the hate speech and physical violence of the Anti-Israel movement in the 6 examples I gave you.
Will you do that?
Of course they don't call it anti-semitism. That would be too honest. That's why it's now "anti-Israel". Neither Hitler nor Stalin called it anti-semitism either.
I always wondered how people could excuse what was happening around them in 1930's Germany. We are witnessing it right now with things like "I won't acknowledge what is happening because the article isn't in the NYT". Only someone supporting what happened would take that tact. Any normal person would read it and be horrified.
A perfect example of how it is ultimately justified and the word games they play to keep a clear conscious. Very scary indeed.
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Michaels HiFi
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Based on the response of certain people here, I'm sad to say they would find a way to justify that disgusting Facebook post.
If I am reading this correctly you are implying that it is not possible to have a negative opinion of the nation of Israel, a political entity, without being anti-semite. I sincerely hope I am misreading the intent of your words because such a belief is delusional, and frankly, no better than the ass-hats that think they are better than someone else because of the color of their skin, the slant of their eyes, the size of their bank account, or that they have an outie instead of an innie.
I think the recent actions of the political entity Israel and, at least in this case, the puppet entity the United States that let itself get goaded into this are both abhorrent. Of course these aren't the first abhorrent actions of either of those particular political entities, and they won't be the last. And it's not like Israel and the US have a monopoly on abhorrent behavior by a nation-state, there is plenty of that to go around.
Michaels HiFi
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Who's implying? I gave examples of actions by the "anti-israel" crowd that shows their true stance. Face it - they are 1930's German Socialist Democrats 2.0.
Refusing to read the 6 articles because they aren't from the NYT says it all about true feelings and intellectual dishonesty. It's far more sinister than "anti-Israel". Only someone supportive of the actions would refuse to read about them.
I wonder if deep down inside you are supportive of what happened on October 7th.
ETA: I knew taking a public stand on this would rile up the anti-semites. I don't care. And interesting Gordon is calling my talking about their vile actions as "railing" yet he views their vile actions "justified".
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You are so sure of yourself, so sure you are 110% right that you've closed your mind off to any possibility other than the one that says the entire world is out to get you. Sorry to break it to you but I condemn what Israel did, I condemn what the US did even more. And I can do that without thinking less of Eliot or the random guy that sits next to me in the office because they happen to both be of Jewish descent. Here's a real shocker, I can condemn both of them while also condemning the idiot that painted a swastika on a building.
I never said anything about the articles you linked, you're the one bringing them up and pinning behavior that didn't occur on me. Again because you are so full of yourself that you're 110% sure that everyone is a hater.
If you want to label me anti-semite because I disapprove of Israel lobbing missiles at a neighboring country (and their "friend" letting itself get pushed into helping) that's your prerogative. I think constantly looking to be aggrieved is a terrible way to live your life, but it's not my life to live.
Michaels HiFi
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Your position says it all. It has nothing to do with being full of myself or you claiming I'm aggrieved. It has nothing to do with me as you try to deflect this is about you.
As you state you are mad at Israel and the US and you have no clue about the history or that facts that caused that. Since you didn't choose sides based on history and facts, what made you choose the side you did? We all know. Hate.
There is nothing I need to be sure of myself about - you've stated it yourself. I bet you're on the side of Iran as well, right?
Own it. Your pro-terrorist stance has nothing to do with anyone else but you. Funny you've only condemned the US and Israel and you've yet to condemn the Palestinian's who raped and murderd and held hostage while impregnating innocent Israelis. That really says it all.
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This thread is a classic example of why politics don't belong on audio forums. Our shared enthusiasm of music and gear is what unites us as audiophiles. Politics is what destroys relationships and even families in some cases. Now we see what it does on audio forums.
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Let me respond. Yes, taking the stand, you and others are taking against Israel IS antisemitic.
First point, why when it comes to Jews do so many self-hating Jews and non-Jews, of which I consider the former no different than the latter, think THEY can define what is or is not antisemitism. With no other race is this latitude acceptable.
Second point, your comment that the “puppet entity the United States let itself get goaded into this” is the typical blood libel when referencing Jews pulling the strings of the American power brokers that has been used since the beginning of civilization.
Third, a little history. This was the Jewish homeland from the beginning. They are and continue to be persecuted with bouts of slavery, mass murder throughout their existence, diasporas, pogroms and now they find themselves fighting for their survival in their tiny homeland. YOU may not agree, but Zionism=Israel and are linked at the hip to Judaism and the survival of the Jews; WHY Israel was created in its modern form. Since May 1948, when the world recognized Israel as THE JEWISH STATE, they have come under attack from day 1. Their fight for survival comes under scrutiny, never those looking to eradicate Israel and the Jewish people. It is always how Israel and the Jewish people respond. Israel was established in modern times so that those 6 million murdered in an effort to eradicate the Jewish Race could never happen again, that they would never have to rely on a diaspora for survival, that they would always have a safe space for survival. Yes, Zionism=Israel AND cannot be separated from Judaism and the Jewish people because attacking Israel, who is fighting for their survival IS the same as the Jewish people fighting for their survival. If you are against one you are against the other. YOU don't get to make that rule.
Forth, those of you who make this a one-sided affair, I ask, what should Israel do? It is an incredible point, that when it comes to Israel, they only possess the right to no retaliation OR should ONLY be allowed a disproportionately small retaliation. They have no right to defend themselves, no right to eradicate their enemies, which by the way since the beginning of time has been the right of any entity (including you in YOUR OWN HOIME) attacked. Israel has been attacked since the beginning of time and in the modern era has lived with non-stop bombings and terror attacks from their “neighbors” and most recently on the heels of the most heinous of terror attacks, Oct 7, preceded by 6000 rockets coming into the area don’t have the right to eradicate their attackers because YOU disagree with “political Israel”. Well, what you refer to as the political Israel is looking for the survival of the Jewish Homeland and the Jewish race.
Fifth, people like you show your stripes, when using the term “political Israel”. It is the Jewish Homeland and State. It is the ONLY one, a tiny parcel that wants to live in peace. There are over 50 Muslim countries in the world, most in their region, most until recently wanting them destroyed. Almost all of those Muslim countries ONLY allow Muslims into their country, and their “politics” and don’t seem to rile the likes of those like you. Israel is the ONLY democracy in the area, the ONLY state in the region where members outside the religious state representation serve in the government, in the courts, have all the rights of the Jews there.
Fifth, when those like yourself quote the biased, manipulated, false propaganda and phony claims of casualties coming out of Hamas who are known terrorists OR overtly antisemitic sites/papers like The Guardian to buttress and codify your claims, yes, it is antisemitic trope because you purposely ignore all the other data because all that matters is your anti-Israel/Zionist perspective. You aren’t interested in a balanced debate but one that proves your point for your rationalization.
Sixth, Iran has been coddled, been assuaged and bought off with phony deals with their false promises being brushed under the rug, until recently. When a terrorist regime, either directly or through their terrorist proxies in Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen, here on our own soil, and elsewhere attack, maimed and kill our citizens and that same terrorist regime TELLS US they will annihilate us and Israel and are on the verge of a NUKES only an idiot does nothing. There are no puppet strings, there are no ulterior Jew motives, it is survival. Others, like France, Spain, or others in the EU refuse to get it, well they aren’t the ones at risk, and their only risks are higher priced oil. It is their right not to participate, I don't agree, but their sovereign right BUT they have NO right and neither does anyone else, to tell another country who has been under attack and constant attacks at that, that they don't have the right to fight back and survive or how their retaliation should be carried out.
Lastly the phony claims of the atrocities Israel are committing including but not limited to the “Palestinian Massacre”. IT IS Israel’s enemies that USE AS THEIR PRIMARY MILITARY TECHNIQUE, attacks on civilians at schools, cafes, airports, bus stops, apartments, concerts, women, children, seniors, etc. and NOT military targets. Israel’s enemies hide in tunnels like rats purposely under civilian complexes like hospitals, Mosques, etc. purposely placing their own civilians at risk. They literally use those who support them as human shields. And lastly, these same civilians, overwhelmingly support and continue to vote for the likes of Hamas, terrorists who proclaim death to Jews. No other country has fought a war against such an aggressive enemy, like Israel is orchestrating this one evacuating Palestinian civilian, giving warnings, providing food and water to the civilians in the land they are attacking. Just over 2400 died in Pearl Harbor (and not in the terroristic way of Oct 7) and we never showed any compassion to the Japanese civilians that Israel shows to the civilians of their enemies; not even close. Did Germany show any courtesy to the lands and cities they attacked, or the allies in Dresden, etc. as Israel shows to the civilians of their enemies??? Does Iran show the same compassion for their own citizens after brually executing 1000s because they disagree. No its always Israel.
To selectively ignore the above, to selectively create your own perspective, including whitewashing as others have on this site, the overt antisemitism happening on the streets of America and in Congress, yes is antisemitic.
You don’t get to define it.
gordon
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Who said this?
"I won't adge what is happening because the article isn't in the NYT".
mep
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The only way to "stop the back and forth" is to shutdown this thread.
The original premise of the thread would likely be met with nearly universal agreement, there is no place for bigotry or hate speech in our hobby, or anywhere else for that matter. We somehow got sidetracked onto what happened in Gaza, a topic about which reasonable people can do disagree. It’s very difficult to make a logical case that opposing certain of the Israeli government’s actions in Gaza is inherently antisemitic when there are prominent Israelis that have expressed opposition to their government’s actions in Gaza.
So, I don’t think the original post was about politics, but we seemed to slide into it at some point
So, I don’t think the original post was about politics, but we seemed to slide into it at some point
Michaels HiFi
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I would respectfully disagree with you.
They like to pretend they are against hate, but then perpetuate it the strongest towards others. And they always have an excuse as to why their hate is acceptable.
The sidetrack started when people tried to play the word games and got called out for it.