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Kuoppis said:
I think the Berkeley Ref 2 is great and having tested the Brinkmann Nyquist extensively I know it is great.

But putting any of those against the MSB Select would be tough given a factor 4 price differential.
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Compared to the Berkeley Ref 2 MQA it's more like a factor 6 price differential ($20K vs $120K).
 
Saying a DAC doesn't sound digital only shows anti-digital bias - I've never heard anyone say an analog source was so good it didn't sound like analog. Digital has always had the potential to eclipse analog and it's only a question of exactly when this occurs. Previous generations of digital maybe didn't sound so good, but then again neither did early analog.
 
The Sandman said:
Saying a DAC doesn't sound digital only shows anti-digital bias
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Hog wash. You remind me of a snowflake. Digital has always sounded different than analog because it sounds, er, digital.

The Sandman said:
- I've never heard anyone say an analog source was so good it didn't sound like analog.
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That would be because since music is analog and if it is recorded in the analog domain and played back in the analog domain, it's going to sound as natural as the recording gear, venue, and musicians involved in the recording allow it to. Some of us want our music to sound like analog and we would never say analog sounds so good it doesn't sound like analog.

The Sandman said:
Digital has always had the potential to eclipse analog and it's only a question of exactly when this occurs. Previous generations of digital maybe didn't sound so good, but then again neither did early analog.
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Define early analog. We have suffered through digital for many years starting in the 1980s. It's almost 2018. How many more years before a DAC that costs less than $100k can beat out a decent analog rig?
 
mep said:
Hog wash. You remind me of a snowflake. Digital has always sounded different than analog because it sounds, er, digital.



That would be because since music is analog and if it is recorded in the analog domain and played back in the analog domain, it's going to sound as natural as the recording gear, venue, and musicians involved in the recording allow it to. Some of us want our music to sound like analog and we would never say analog sounds so good it doesn't sound like analog.




Define early analog. We have suffered through digital for many years starting in the 1980s. It's almost 2018. How many more years before a DAC that costs less than $100k can beat out a decent analog rig?
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Here you go again with your analog bias.
 
CD's were developed 35 years ago (in 1982). The phonograph was invented in 1877. Since this year seems to be the point at which a lot of people are describing some kind of turning point for digital, let's call the first 35 years of analog "early analog". What do you reckon an analog rig sounded like in 1912, 35 years after its arrival. How about in 1947, 70 years after? And how do you think digital will sound 35 years from now?
 
The Sandman said:
CD's were developed 35 years ago (in 1982). The phonograph was invented in 1877. Since this year seems to be the point at which a lot of people are describing some kind of turning point for digital, let's call the first 35 years of analog "early analog". What do you reckon an analog rig sounded like in 1912, 35 years after its arrival. How about in 1947, 70 years after? And how do you think digital will sound 35 years from now?
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So you are comparing a digital technology that started in the 1980s that was announced to consumers as "perfect sound forever" to the sound of analog gear from the birth of recorded sound?
 
Oh man...my thread is going sideways.

Sigh...


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still-one said:
Here you go again with your analog bias.
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You are too old to be a snowflake, so that just makes you a grump. :) I keep telling you to send me your table and I will give it a loving home instead of collecting dust in your system while you listen to your beloved digital. That would have the added bonus of you removing your turntable and phono section from your signature so you can show the world that you are a righteous lover of all things digital. That would be a win-win.
 
I see we are all in the Christmas spirit today. ❤️


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Mike said:
Oh man...my thread is going sideways.

Sigh...


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Sorry Mike, Sandman hit a nerve. There is no doubt that the MSB Select II DAC with dual outboard power supplies is the new "it" DAC that some people are saying has finally tipped the digital scales in SQ from all DACs that came before it. Your thoughts on the sound of the MSB closely resemble what MikeL has said about it and Alex is also singing from the same sheet of music. And that is the MSB DAC has created it's own category for a source component.
 
Mike said:
I see we are all in the Christmas spirit today. ❤️


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Absolutely. I have visions of Jim's SME rig having a loving home for Christmas instead of being an analog orphan. :)
 
The Sandman said:
Saying a DAC doesn't sound digital only shows anti-digital bias - I've never heard anyone say an analog source was so good it didn't sound like analog. Digital has always had the potential to eclipse analog and it's only a question of exactly when this occurs. Previous generations of digital maybe didn't sound so good, but then again neither did early analog.
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tell that to the one's who have thousands of 78's and prefer them to the 33's.

or the one's who prefer the early mono's to later mono's or stereo pressings.
 
The Sandman said:
Compared to the Berkeley Ref 2 MQA it's more like a factor 6 price differential ($20K vs $120K).
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Indeed. When you count in two power bases, femto 33 clock, it’s even a higher multiple.


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Mike said:
Oh man...my thread is going sideways.

Sigh...


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Isn’t this what’s typically happening on Christmas? Family feuds, enduring the nasty aunt and the silly cousin.

Statistically seen most domestic violence cases happen around the feast of love.


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Kuoppis said:
Isn’t this what’s typically happening on Christmas? Family feuds, enduring the nasty aunt and the silly cousin.

Statistically seen most domestic violence cases happen around the feast of love.


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Who spiked the egg nog?


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mep said:
So you are comparing a digital technology that started in the 1980s that was announced to consumers as "perfect sound forever" to the sound of analog gear from the birth of recorded sound?
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That isn't how I read it. I think he is saying early analog sucked, and it took years before it reached its current state. The same thing applies to digital. However, my money says it won't take nearly as long for digital reproduction to better analog reproduction. Maybe it already does. Interesting that SOTA analog and digital are in the six figure range. Personally, I don't need the subtle nuance of improvement that even five figures buy, but appreciate any trickle down technology it offers.
 
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