EV Cars

TheOctopus said:
It is full steam ahead for EV. No stopping that train now that the public has been sold that idea of saving the planet. Ultimately the consumer will pay much more for energy/electric as the cost of this "change in infrastructure" is passed on to each one of us. The energy prices have been going up at least 2.8 percent a year lately, sometimes more without making any changes... Let's see what happens in another decade. :rolleyes:
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You mean when 50M EV cars are running around ...
 
a.wayne said:
Its gonna fail miserably again , Hybrids make economic sense not full EV IMO ..
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I'll bet you have never driven a performance EV; when you do you will realize that this is how a car is supposed to work

Superficially hybrids make sense until you realize that they have all the disadvantages of a IC powered car (engine and drivetrain maintenance, heavier than either IC or EV, more noise, vibration, etc) without the performance of an EV
 
rbbert said:
I'll bet you have never driven a performance EV; when you do you will realize that this is how a car is supposed to work

Superficially hybrids make sense until you realize that they have all the disadvantages of a IC powered car (engine and drivetrain maintenance, heavier than either IC or EV, more noise, vibration, etc) without the performance of an EV
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Wait ! What ..! Now EV’s are lightweights .. :)

Anyway thats being Pretty clueless about me there Bob, but you may already know That and being rhetorical...!

So , yes im very familiar about them all including Hybrids, hence my position based on data and facts not Emotions ..

Regards
 
a.wayne said:
Wait ! What ..! Now EV’s are lightweights .. :)

Anyway thats being Pretty clueless about me there Bob, but you may already know That and being rhetorical...!

So , yes im very familiar about them all including Hybrids, hence my position based on data and facts not Emotions ..

Regards
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Based on data and facts, hybrids are at a significant disadvantage compared to EV’s in almost every area. Based on the driving experience, hybrids and IC powered cars are at a significant disadvantage compared to EV’s. So either way...

FWIW I do not yet own an EV (although I have loved our hybrid going on 15 years), but I can’t foresee me buying any other type of vehicle in the future.
 
F1 are Hybrid racing cars Bob , top Ferrari and Porsche’s too, what about formula E , ever watch one of those all EV races :)

EV craze is manufactured, its all a big Con to reset with different controlling metrics , nothing to do with efficiency or earth saving tactics, the 90 mpg is very viable with todays tech , lean burn recovery hybrids can achieve this with close to zero emissions, this is all doable with current DI engines..

EV cars will take decades to achieve the same level and worse for the environment getting there, now ask yourself how is the planet with 50-100 M ev cars running around gonna develope the infrastructure to get Bob across country in the winter( heating /lights /wipers going shorten battery life by 70% ) up to his favorite ski slope With millions running on the road waiting for a power charge from the local coal and gas company .. :)

I see 1908 in the windshield not the rearview mirrors ...
 
Psst :

“Teslas are particularly expensive to insure for collision damage due to their high repair and maintenance costs, which are greater than those for other luxury vehicles. This is due to several reasons, such as: The cars are repaired at a limited set of Tesla-approved body repair shops.”
 
I should have stick with high-end audio, or Opera music, or climate change, or bitcoin. ;):D

I'm just kidding. I started the thread after seeing the MG sports car EV...a total beauty to my eyes.
I used to drive a MG convertible (1975), burgundy. It was a lot of fun for many fun years.
Also there are EVs now for all prices and many styles, some very cool ones.
Plus, the mileage is getting expanded, the batteries more efficient, built in Canada (Montreal).

This is the age of EV, our time now. Not for all of us right away but eventually, it's the evolution of our environment and our economy. That sure is what I'm seeing and I'm 100% fine in the perfecting of our transportation.
 
San Diego-based Aptera has just unveiled a new solar-based three-wheeler it claims doesn’t require charging—but just happens to have 1,000-mile battery-electric range for good measure.

The futuristic trike, which has an almost Jetsons flying car-like aesthetic, features more than 32 square feet of solar panels that are integrated into the body. This setup allows the two-seater to travel up to 45 miles a day and up to 11,000 miles per year on energy harnessed from the sun, according to the company.


Aptera Has Launched - YouTube
 
TheOctopus said:
San Diego-based Aptera has just unveiled a new solar-based three-wheeler it claims doesn’t require charging—but just happens to have 1,000-mile battery-electric range for good measure.

The futuristic trike, which has an almost Jetsons flying car-like aesthetic, features more than 32 square feet of solar panels that are integrated into the body. This setup allows the two-seater to travel up to 45 miles a day and up to 11,000 miles per year on energy harnessed from the sun, according to the company.
Aptera Has Launched - YouTube
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Featured on Jay Leno in 2009 - a VERY long launch...
 
Rob181 said:
Featured on Jay Leno in 2009 - a VERY long launch...
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I'm still patiently waiting for the various "personal flying cars" they have been promising us for the past 30 years... :rolleyes:

The electric cars still do not solve the one fundamental problem.... "traffic"... There are however many more "vertical" lanes of travel than there are "horizontal" :)
 
We owned a Telsa, (2018 Model S P100D) about the worst car we ever owned. Freaking super quick, and pissed off the Vette and 911 guys, but even the warranty couldn't help the conditioning repair issues. We have two older Lexus cars ( ES350 & GS350) in the family, one has 57K and the other has 65 K, not a single problem with either and going strong. But one of the hold backs for us with EV, was the limitations on mileage. We make multiple trips to the mountains and with EV stopping along the way for hours to recharge in the freaking pits, unless you can FIND a Telsa charging station. Sold it and I bought me a F150. Now the F150 Lightning coming out late this year is interesting, 563 horsepower and 775 lb.-ft. of torque, and a 0-60 mph time in the mid-4-second range when equipped with an extended-range battery, but again mileage is a hold back. Its like buy a EV for close to home and drive your RV or gas cars and trucks for those long range trips.
 
CPP said:
We owned a Telsa, (2018 Model S P100D) about the worst car we ever owned. Freaking super quick, and pissed off the Vette and 911 guys, but even the warranty couldn't help the conditioning repair issues. We have two older Lexus cars ( ES350 & GS350) in the family, one has 57K and the other has 65 K, not a single problem with either and going strong. But one of the hold backs for us with EV, was the limitations on mileage. We make multiple trips to the mountains and with EV stopping along the way for hours to recharge in the freaking pits, unless you can FIND a Telsa charging station. Sold it and I bought me a F150. Now the F150 Lightning coming out late this year is interesting, 563 horsepower and 775 lb.-ft. of torque, and a 0-60 mph time in the mid-4-second range when equipped with an extended-range battery, but again mileage is a hold back. Its like buy a EV for close to home and drive your RV or gas cars and trucks for those long range trips.
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Very interesting. We have been looking at a Tesla or other EV. But that charging stuff has to get to “under 10 minutes” for a 75-85% charge IMO. It’s coming….but not quite there….yet.

Every car manufacturer is focused now on EV, it will be the future. The only exception is Dodge, they are sitting around thinking “screw that, let’s put that Hellcat engine in a pickup truck!” LOL.
 
We've been considering getting an EV as well. Test drove a Tesla - very quick and good ride but found the interior finishes to be very plasticky and not well executed. We will not get an EV until 400+ miles range is the standard and the recharging infrastructure is quicker and more prevalent.

Also, with the push for EVs, I haven't heard of much power grid infrastructure development to supply the additional demand for electricity.
 
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