Yes indeed. I have the Esoteric N-01XD myself.
Does your Aurender have any clock input? Meaning any input that says “clock”?
Esoteric announce new master clock generator G-05
- Thread starter brodricj
- Start date
Yes indeed. I have the Esoteric N-01XD myself.
Does your Aurender have any clock input? Meaning any input that says “clock”?
- Thread Author
- #22
Aurender ACS10 does not have CLOCK input. And just to be clear about using external clock with Esoteric. If the source is connected via USB the Esoteric does not use the external clock reference and its CLOCK light will be green (instead of blue).
With all due respect, this is incorrect. You can have Esoteric connected to a USB source, and still sync its clock with an external master clock generator. I have tried this before in my N-01XD with a Mutec Ref 120 SE. As a matter of fact, I do this right now, using my Jay’s Audio CDT3 MK3 transport to reclock my Esoteric, while playing via my Innuos connected to USB input in my Esoteric. Change the out clock settings in Esoteric menu, the light turns blue and locks in solid. No issues whatsoever. Whether playing through the CDT3 MK3, or through the Innuos via USB, or through the network bridge built in the N-01XD.
By the way, I placed an order yesterday for the new Esoteric G-05. Whether it arrives at the end of this month or in October, I should be receiving a unit from the first batch
Do you have a master clock generator? Looking at the manual for D1X I think it should work. Even if connected to a source (such a streamer) via USB. As far as I know, if a streamer is connected via USB to the DAC, its clock is “slaved” to the DAC’s clock. Obviously, ideally both source and DAC would be getting a clock signal from the same master clock generator (I.E the Esoteric G line of master clocks, current gen or old)
- Thread Author
- #27
I think there is a translation from Japanese mis-understanding of that part of the manual. I had a support issue with my D1X and clocking and the reply came back from Esoteric factory that if you clock the DAC but not the source then the last data bit can be dropped and you end up with odd behavior. My understanding of the conclusion of all that is source and DAC must both be clocked, and for USB sources the clock sync should always be set to off. For example, if using N-03T USB to D1X then clock must be set to off. If using other N-03T digital output to D1X then clock sync can be on for both, or off for both, but not on for one and off the other. But the reading of the English manual does not make that clear.
Mr Peabody
Well-known member
Brodricj is correct, no BNC on ACS10. It's just a transport/server with no DAC. It's just Ethernet in, USB out.
Mr Peabody
Well-known member
I have learned when using the G05 it does only need the one connection BNC and then it would take over the duty of the internal clock of the N05xd.
When using an USB in/out type set up the clocks piggyback.
When using an USB in/out type set up the clocks piggyback.
Bingo! Exactly what I said a while ago. See post #26 above.
You are like my wife: when I say something, she does not pay attention. Only when someone else tells her exactly what I had told her before, then it’s real.
*
Mr Peabody
Well-known member
LOL
Maybe that's what you meant to say but #26 was confusing to me.
Maybe that's what you meant to say but #26 was confusing to me.
Bingo! Exactly what I said a while ago. See post #26 above.
You are like my wife: when I say something, she does not pay attention. Only when someone else tells her exactly what I had told her before, then it’s real.
- Thread Author
- #32
USB for audio uses asynchronous communication. Data is ‘pulled’ from the USB source under control of the DAC, not ‘pushed’ to the DAC under control of the USB source.
I think this might be why the USB source does not have provision for external master clock, because the clock in the DAC is responsible for system timing.
Mr Peabody
Well-known member
If possible can you hook the G05 just to your DAC first to see what happens? I'm interested in a G05 but my only connection would be my DAC. Thanks
Looking forward to your feedback either way.
Looking forward to your feedback either way.
I set it up last night. Let it play overnight and through the first part of the Saturday. Just listening now for the past 2-3 hours. First impressions are very positive. This clock does make a difference for good. To clarify, with the same DAC I had tried another master clock a couple of year back, the Mutec Ref10 120 SE, which unfortunately made zero difference for me and I had to return. The G-05 is different. Hands down. I am almost certain it’s a keeper. More impressions and details later…
P.S. I am using a Shunyata Alpha v2 50 clock cable for my Esoteric N-01 XD DaC and the Delta v2 50 for Jay’s CDT3 MK3
P.S. I am using a Shunyata Alpha v2 50 clock cable for my Esoteric N-01 XD DaC and the Delta v2 50 for Jay’s CDT3 MK3
An update.
The G-05 has exceeded my expectations. It is now permanently part of my system. It improves my N-01XD even when streaming (meaning the DAC is the only device clocked by G-05). Even more so when playing CDs via my Jay’s Audio CDT3 MK3, also clocked by the G-05.
The biggest improvement is on tonality and timbre. Very natural sounding, never experienced the effect in my system, and only recall in much more expensive systems I have heard at dealers’ shows and friends’. The dynamics are audibly improved too, with a noticeable positive effect on passages from silence (or quiet) to louder notes.
The “side effects” to this is that my CD playback is now even more pronounced than streaming. Playing CDs has become a truly enjoyable experience. I guess because both the CDT and DAC are now synced. I am glad I got a CD transport with master clock 10 MHz input. Jay’s CDT3 MK3 was an excellent transport on its own right, but now it is even better.
I have very happy with this purchase. For the price is most certainly a great value (for my ears, in my system)
The G-05 has exceeded my expectations. It is now permanently part of my system. It improves my N-01XD even when streaming (meaning the DAC is the only device clocked by G-05). Even more so when playing CDs via my Jay’s Audio CDT3 MK3, also clocked by the G-05.
The biggest improvement is on tonality and timbre. Very natural sounding, never experienced the effect in my system, and only recall in much more expensive systems I have heard at dealers’ shows and friends’. The dynamics are audibly improved too, with a noticeable positive effect on passages from silence (or quiet) to louder notes.
The “side effects” to this is that my CD playback is now even more pronounced than streaming. Playing CDs has become a truly enjoyable experience. I guess because both the CDT and DAC are now synced. I am glad I got a CD transport with master clock 10 MHz input. Jay’s CDT3 MK3 was an excellent transport on its own right, but now it is even better.
I have very happy with this purchase. For the price is most certainly a great value (for my ears, in my system)
- Thread Author
- #38
Maybe think about upgrading to an Esoteric disc transport (eg a 2nd hand Grandioso P1). ES-Link to the N-01XD and clock them both to the G-05.
Too late. I had an Esoteric transport. The P-05x. To my ears, the Jay’s was better. And still is. Hands down. Thus the change. Granted, the P-05x was a previous generation Esoteric transport. And they don’t make those anymore, other than the Grandioso line which I cannot afford
- Thread Author
- #40
My N-01 didn't support ES-LINK so the Grandioso transport connected to it via a Shunyata Sigma AES/EBU. It sounded very good. I do find it odd that there is no current model P series 03X/05X/07X level dedicated transport in the Esoteric product lineup. N-05XD calls out to be mated with an Esoteric transport. If N-01XD/05XD owners want a dedicated Esoteric disc transport their only choice now is P1X-SE. And that combination wouldn't make much sense.