Do better ethernet cables matter?

This is one of those topics that no amount of analysis or topics will make a difference.

I had read so many strong view points on both sides that I finally - as somewhat of a skeptic on ethernet cables myself - went out an bought some to hear for myself.

Yup - there was a very noticeable difference between some, and not so noticeable difference on the others. And more money didn't always equate to better. I am testing one a mfg sent me now that is $1500 and I'm not impressed.

This is one of those topics where people with poor hearing, crappy systems or have never tried it themselves will violently swear there is no difference, while the other half will know better.
 
Stephen, elaborate on 'better' , for many audiophiles will equate that to $$ spent.

Better, as in, they sound better. Doesn't always equate to $$ spent. In 2019, when I was doing a competitive benchmarking of various Ethernet cables*, and remember one evening after I swapped out an AQ Vodka ether (which is a very nice-sounding cable) for an entry-level Shunyata Research (SR) Venom, and the Venom was so much better I burst out laughing...wasn't even close. I then had an audio buddy over for a blind eval, and when I replaced the AQ Vodka with an SR Alpha, he burst out, "Who took the kink out of the hose?" :lol:

*-Ethernet cables evaluated in my competitive benchmarking: Belden Cat6A, Audioquest Cinnamon, Wireworld Starlight Cat 8, Supra Cat 8, Audioquest Vodka, Shunyata Venom and Alpha.

The new Venom-X Ethernet is a terrific sounding Ethernet at it's price point. For a "budget cable", I like the Supra Cat 8 though it can be a skosh bright on some recordings (depending on their mastering).

BTW, for digital cables, the length really has an impact on audio quality (this is due to the impact of the interaction of length x EM wave reflections on the cable); a minimal length of 1.5M is recommended for best audio quality.
 
I have no doubt that they make a difference. I have tried different SATA cables in my music computer and they sound remarkably different.
 
I have no doubt that they make a difference. I have tried different SATA cables in my music computer and they sound remarkably different.

In my experience, many things make a difference. I can hear the impact of temperature and barometric pressure changes. At the end of the day, it's a system mediating a transfer function, y=f(x), which is comprised of the influence and interactions of control factors and noise factors, including the room, power, amplification and transduction gear, vibration damping, environment, power, noise (ambient, ground-plane, and "variance"-based noise e.g. jitter, etc.) on the final result. So while it is very true, as Nelson has said, our ears are not a microphone and our brain is not a tape recorder, we can easily distinguish the influence and the interaction of these factors in the reproduction of music. I wasn't aware of this until I started reading more about digital music reproducton, but in doing that research, I've learned, that when listening to music, our brains can distinguish timing errors in the picosecond domain; this is why our digital devices beneft from femtoclocks. This is likely why many folks still prefer analog recordings, because there are no timing errors in analog reproduction.
 
I am going to install a JCat usb card that is supposed to make a huge difference. I will report back next week.
 
Stephen, elaborate on 'better' , for many audiophiles will equate that to $$ spent.
I buy these ethernet cables from aliexpress. There are really nice cables there between the standard bulk. They are cat 8, twisted, made of tinned copper, double aluminium shielded and have a copper gold plated head. I don't see many things that an audio cable can do better, and it only costs 20.69 euro for a 3 metre cable.

Why buying network cables for 1500 bugs if there are much cheaper versions on the market which are awesome.

I agree with you, high end network cables don't have to be expensive.
 
I buy these ethernet cables from aliexpress. There are really nice cables there between the standard bulk. They are cat 8, twisted, made of tinned copper, double aluminium shielded and have a copper gold plated head. I don't see many things that an audio cable can do better, and it only costs 20.69 euro for a 3 metre cable.

Why buying network cables for 1500 bugs if there are much cheaper versions on the market which are awesome.

I agree with you, high end network cables don't have to be expensive.

If the Ethernet cable shields are connected at both ends, they can pass low- and high-source impedance leakage current, which can have audible negative impact on audio quality. One of the problems it causes is threshold jitter (not the same thing as deterministic jitter), which impacts timing, which our brains are exquisitly sensitive to when listening to music†. It is also important to mitigate common-mode noise on Ethernet cables, which also has a negative impact on audio quality. This leakage current often occurs from using SMPS, which is why clean, quiet linear power supplies are so important for digital music reproduction.

Common-mode noise:
The effect is caused by rapid voltage changes at switching nodes in the circuit, pumping current through stray capacitances into the local input and/or output ground or power return, making the connection jump in voltage due to its self-impedance.

This is exactly what is occuring in digital music reproduction, where the signal which is NOT 0's and 1's but is comprised of analog square wave voltages, usually from 0 to 2V (representing the "0" and "1" from the digital source music file).

Moreover, there's a common misconception that the noise rides "down low" at the "noise floor" of the signal. This is not true, the noise rides ON TOP of the signal. This is why it's important to mitigate the impact of both low- and high-source impedance leakage current, and common-mode noise.

This is what is REALLY going on...
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†-read this white paper by professional Ethernet engineer, John Swenson, who designed the EtherREGEN: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0660/6121/files/UpTone-J.Swenson_EtherREGEN_white_paper.pdf?v=1583429386
 
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