Hi Jerome,
Wow, sorry to hear that. Maybe some bass traps and/or DSP bass management software. JRiver offers this.
Best of luck,
Ken
Disappointing Harbeth 30.1 !
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Hi Jerome,
Wow, sorry to hear that. Maybe some bass traps and/or DSP bass management software. JRiver offers this.
Best of luck,
Ken
Paul
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Nothing to do with a design. on this thread , All I can see is just one person opinion, nothing more than that.
I had the M30 and SHL5 together in my room and yes, I kept the SHL5 but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the M30.1
I had the M30 and SHL5 together in my room and yes, I kept the SHL5 but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the M30.1
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I thought there were several people including a reviewer who commented on the same issues that Jerome did.
Paul
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Completely agree with you.
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Paul,
I don't hate anybody. But the last time I checked, this was a free country and I'm entitled to my opinion whether you like it or not.
Ken
Paul
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Ken. Of cause you can say whatever you want and I did it too. Just seeing one person's opinion takes to design's issue? When the thousands of people love them ? I remember Jaxwired loves his M30.1 over his SHL5 he had and Joe loved his M30.1 enough to upgraded to M40.1 and now we are taking about the design issue after it's been out there more than a decades and loved by thousands of people vs few people don't like them ? I just didn't get that idea.
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I agree with you Paul.
My personal opinion is that these speakers have a design issue. But that is just my personal opinion. Not a fact.
Some people reported the same problem. But as you say, thousands of people love them. I am in the very tiny minority group !
Paul,
Just because thousands of people love them doesn't mean that the 30.1 couldn't have a design issue. No speaker design is perfect and that includes Harbeth. I would be the first to admit that my Raidho D3 V2 have a mid-bass bump and it is a design issue. But I love the sound of the speakers and I've found a way to work around this issue.
Ken
Paul
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Ken. You could be right but again if the speakers is just came out on the market I would agree but not in this case.
Anyway, I will just agree with we disagree. We are not engineers or designer and I will leave that to designer's decision and owners decision - who actually own in their room and enjoy their valuable time with their Harbeth.
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Anyway, I will just agree with we disagree. We are not engineers or designer and I will leave that to designer's decision and owners decision - who actually own in their room and enjoy their valuable time with their Harbeth.
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Paul
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Jerome. I respect your opinion. That's why I didn't jump in from first place. If you like them or not that's truly your opinion and I appreciated your honest opinion as well. However just like Sean ( Zero fidelity) you might going to like them just what Sean did on his second video on his SHL5 + reviews. Maybe give a bit more time ?
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Jerome W
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Paul,
An other chance for the 30.1 ? If I have an ear surgery that modifies drastically my hearing : why not !
There has been studies under RMI as to which neurons are selected for emotions / ideas. They found that when you like someone or something, a single neuron is activated.
One study was showing various personalities and asking who do you prefer ? One neuron felt in love with Marilyn Monroe. An other one with Bill Clinton. But when the brains has to answer " Who do you prefer", then each single neuron " recruits" a real army of thousands of neurons to erase the opposite camp.
This explains what Platon discovered in words. Our ideas make the reality. They transform our reality. Hypnosis does the same. Under hypnosis, you can show a golf club to someone and make him "see" and not only believe that this club is a rose.
All my neurons have been recruited by the one who did not like the bass at all. And the war is over !
Jerome, I hope you know I respect your opinions, but on this one we part ways, the speakers you are describing simply bear no relation to what I'm hearing from my M30.1's, and I'm honestly a bit baffled why you are getting such a poor result. I recall though in the early days with your M40.1's you struggled with the bass, until you sorted out the stands with the help of Pro Audio Bono. If memory serves, they were on Skylan stands too, and the general feeling on UK forums is that there are better options than Skylan, I'm happy with the performance on Rogoz stands, but many here like the open plan Something Solid stands.
Mine are in a relatively small room, and on a suspended floor, and bass issues have been a problem in here, which is in part the reason I ended up with the P3ESR's. My move to the M30.1's came about as I got a chance to buy a second hand pair from someone I trusted on a UK forum, at a price which would have allowed me to move them on a little loss if they weren't for me.....but they are everything I hoped, and have integrated into the room fine, they just need to be a bit farther from the back wall than before.
What I will say though is that the combination of my Snappers with their EL34's & the richness and warmth of the Harbeth's can occasionally seem too much of a good thing, I'm not sure I'd rush to try them with a 300b amp at 20w or so, whoever built it. I've got mine running with my Croft 25R pre & the Accuphase E450 as the power amp and trust me, the bass is impeccable
I love hi fi, but I also love old Studio 1 reggae, so they get tested! I'm probably going to try another tubed power amp in the new year, quite possibly either KT88 or even EL84 based (a pair of Mahi Mahi's might just be added). I was surprised by your results with your Nagra's, I would have expected that to work better than it seems to have for you.
I do have to raise an eyebrow at the "Design Fault" comments though, that seems quite a jump from one person not getting on with them to me. No speaker is perfect, they are all a compromise of one sort or another, but in my room the M30.1's sound absolutely wonderful, and in the 4 months or so I've had them I've noticed that, just like the P3ESR's, there is no part of my musical collection that is getting ignored, and that I always think is the most crucial thing of all
Best wishes
Matt
Mine are in a relatively small room, and on a suspended floor, and bass issues have been a problem in here, which is in part the reason I ended up with the P3ESR's. My move to the M30.1's came about as I got a chance to buy a second hand pair from someone I trusted on a UK forum, at a price which would have allowed me to move them on a little loss if they weren't for me.....but they are everything I hoped, and have integrated into the room fine, they just need to be a bit farther from the back wall than before.
What I will say though is that the combination of my Snappers with their EL34's & the richness and warmth of the Harbeth's can occasionally seem too much of a good thing, I'm not sure I'd rush to try them with a 300b amp at 20w or so, whoever built it. I've got mine running with my Croft 25R pre & the Accuphase E450 as the power amp and trust me, the bass is impeccable
I love hi fi, but I also love old Studio 1 reggae, so they get tested! I'm probably going to try another tubed power amp in the new year, quite possibly either KT88 or even EL84 based (a pair of Mahi Mahi's might just be added). I was surprised by your results with your Nagra's, I would have expected that to work better than it seems to have for you.I do have to raise an eyebrow at the "Design Fault" comments though, that seems quite a jump from one person not getting on with them to me. No speaker is perfect, they are all a compromise of one sort or another, but in my room the M30.1's sound absolutely wonderful, and in the 4 months or so I've had them I've noticed that, just like the P3ESR's, there is no part of my musical collection that is getting ignored, and that I always think is the most crucial thing of all
Best wishes
Matt
There are a large number of Leben CS300 owners, and a few Line Magnetic owners who might just disagree with this blanket statement. 28w of Unison S6 does just fine, notwithstanding my comments about EL34's above, it drives the speakers fine though. The lack of synergy is with the valve, not the power.
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In my earlier post in this thread I tried to accurately describe my experience auditioning the 30.1 speakers at an authorized Harbeth dealer. I said that what I heard was not to my liking but the dealer confirmed that they were setup properly and performing as expected. Of course it's entirely possible that the dealer was incorrect and had an issue with their setup or the supporting system not being a synergistic match. I appreciate the fact that others may find the Harbeth sound to their liking and am happy for the owners like magoo who love their speakers. It's all about whatever gets you most engaged with the music in your system and that can be different for each listener. I certainly did not intend to question anyone else's choices and I apologize if I came across that way. We're very fortunate to have so many components to consider in determining which best meets each of our expectations.
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Maybe "design issue" wasn't the right choice of words and maybe the right choice is "design choice." There seems to be some conflict among the Harbeth owners with regards to whether or not the bass is a tad overdone on the 30.1 or rather if it is really like Goldilocks in search of the perfect porridge and it's "just right." If there is no consensus (and there is seldom consensus on anything in audio), than we just have to chalk it up to different systems, different rooms, and different preferences. I have no dog in the fight as I don't own Harbeth speakers and was assuming the OP was correct in what he was hearing at his house since he has experience with the speaker line.