Devore 0/96's

Good post Keith.

You still planning to audition the Scala V2's?

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Mike- thoughts on the Scalas demo in a very nice room in SoCal. I heard them on Dagostino gear, which to be honest, I found a poor match. The dealer offered to have them on Mac if I care for a second audition (he doesn't sell tubes). The Be tweet is still extended, but not quite the bite it had a few years ago (Alto Be is the last one I heard, so years back). the top piano register was very exciting, but more natural than I remember on the Altos. I also found the speaker to be pretty well integrated, like Gregory's review states. I was impressed with dynamics and transients especially on some Chopin thunder (it was only hitting 20-30 watts on the meters), although that might be the extended treble playing some tricks on me. Bass wasn't as defined as I'd like to hear, but output was good- although I've had sealed bass speakers, so ports always are different. Detail retrieval seemed excellent- it highlighted some differences in my own speakers when I got home (my speakers resolved some hard picking despite my feeling in the audition i had not heard it before-- turned out it was just softer than on the Focals). Soundstage was just ok- I think Alexias are better at the disappearing trick. I'd say the bigger negative is tonality- this speaker just lacks natural tone imo. it didn't seem to do jazz or rock as well, although classical and edm was pretty good. Kind of hifi-ish to me. Back a few years ago, it seemed you were a Focal or Dyn guy- I was always the latter. I'd say likely still am, though haven't heard the v2 Confidence (C2 would fit too, but just too inefficient for me).

I think tubes would be more fitting on this speaker and I know are commonly used. Something on the warm of neutral side, preferably- perhaps BT KT88s.

KeithR
 
Thanks Keith and I agree on the use of tubes for them.


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Mike- what do you think of the focal be tweet as compared with the magicos you owned?

Annapolis- I get to hear Albert Porters grande EMs over the holidays on VTL I believe- very excited.
 
Hmmm I respect all your comments but time to get back to original topic ;) any more Devore O96 owners in here ?

I would like to know any good match gears other than Shindo and LM. :)
 
Hmmm I respect all your comments but time to get back to original topic ;) any more Devore O96 owners in here ?

I would like to know any good match gears other than Shindo and LM. :)

Would like to hear the Devore speaker line but the closet dealer is in Falls Church, Virginia 13 hours away.
 
I have had the O96's for around 10 months, in two different homes and they are far and away my favorite speakers in this price range.

My impression probably relates just as much to my Shindo amps or cables or any other part of my system as I am trying to get more of the things I love. With different amp preferences things may be different.

The runner up speakers out of the ones I auditioned were the T&F Pharaoh's and the Brodmann Vienna Classic VC7. The next group down from that were the Sonus Faber Stradivari, Proac D40's and Big Quad ESL's (I also owned). The Harbeth's (using LFD amps) didn't really do anything for me, I thought they were boring but similar designed modified Spender SP 1's (using Leak 20 amp) sounded quite good, so go figure. Listening in unfamiliar rooms with associated gear I am also unfamiliar with, isn't ideal. I only had five different pairs of speakers for home audition but usually took my Shindo preamp with me on auditions to swap in and out. I really didn't like any of the usual Hifi speakers like Focal, B&W 800's, Usher, Dyn's etc Even though I had K2P and 13" sub Focal's in my car for the last 7 years and will continue too, as I can't be bothered changing them.

The first thing I liked about the O96's was the tweeter and 10 inch driver being coherent enough for me, which I never thought possible. The sound feels together, which I noticed in the Gibbon 88's as well. Coming from Quad esl's many of the speakers I auditioned weren't coherent enough for me, which spoilt the listening event. I'm not saying the O96's are as coherent as some others, but it is coherent enough that I never have to worry about it.

The second thing I loved is it changes the way I listen to music. Auditioning SRV's Tin Pin Alley on other speakers had me analyzing the sound, for example thinking about the Bass and marveling at how I could tell it was a Fender precision, for example. I was stuck in my head making judgements on the details of sounds. With the O96's I would listen to Tin Pin Alley and marvel at how the three musicians were in the groove with each other. I would feel the synergy of the band and get lost in the performance. I would be listening with my heart, having an emotional response rather than comparing which albums were recorded better or how each aspect of the sound compared to other systems. There was less comparing and more enjoying. I was listening to music on my O96's like I listen to music at a concert, rather than in a recording studio pulling it apart and analyzing it. This allows me to go back to listening to music I want to hear rather than chase quality recordings. Even bad recordings that I could never stand listening on my hifi super detailed system, now sounded great as it was about the flow and timing of the music more than the sounds. Another example is Hotel California acoustic version, I can't stand listening to this song as I have heard it to many times and analyzed it to death on different systems. I have a million things running through my head during the track - is the bass bloated is the sound stage wide and deep etc I was listening to this by accident through the Devore O96's when I first got my Shindo Haut Brion and at the start of the performance when the audience starts to clap, as it realizes for the first time the song is a rearranged classic (Hotel California), I get this huge emotional reaction like I am in the audience witnessing history, like I am about to hear something really big and momentous. The feelings of the audience, in the occasion, where flowing through me. This is a song I can't stand ha ha. I was lost in the musical event during the previous song and wasn't able to judge the song analytically as it came on. I was listening to some old audiophile reference track CD I had recently found (not knowing what songs were on it) and stayed lost listening to it. Listening with my heart rather than with my head is the best way to put it.

The third thing I liked about the Devores was the tone. My background is a guitarist that is obsessed with tone. I collect vintage amps like vox, marshalls and fenders from the 60's because there is something I hear in them that I can't hear in many modern designs. Its like a brand new pair of stiff jeans vs an old pair than fits like a glove. There is an artificial tightness to the sound of modern amps that is hard to put a finger on and I feel the same about many modern speakers. The character has been smoothed over and the sound is tight and restricted rather than flowing. Most Hifi speakers with modern materials in the cones just don't have the same naturalness about the tone, when I hear an audience clapping it doesn't sound anything like clapping to me, there is a sharpness that is artificial, its missing a warmness, its like the clapping is done with metal hands rather that soft skin and flesh. In the act of cleaning up the sound in the name of hyper detail the texture has been bleached out.

Fourth is the rich Harmonic's. I have an old Lowden guitar that has so much character its woody, harmonic, rich, interesting. It gives me goose bumps playing in alternative tunings. In a similar way I get excited hearing the O96's, they are rich and alive sounding and interesting. To me they have more detail in this way than many of the other speakers I tried.

Fifth I really love the tweeter on the O96. It does treble how I like to hear it. The T&F Pharaoh is more hyper detailed and sharp and ruthless toward bad recordings. The O96's let cymbals disappear slowly into the abyss, in a way that is emotionally exciting, delicate and beautiful. Changing to Shindo cables did help perfect this in my system. It feels tantalizing to hear the cymbals texture but also hear it disappear like the flavor of good champagne slowly disappearing from the mouth. The anticipation of it leaving adds another layer of enjoyment to the event.

Sixth The bass is more like the bass I felt playing in bands...

I don't have time to go on but I will come back with more on why I love these speakers and add the things they don't do so well, when I get time.
 
I have had the O96's for around 10 months, in two different homes and they are far and away my favorite speakers in this price range.

The review probably relates just as much to my Shindo amps or cables or any other part of my system as I am trying to get more of the things I love. With different amp preferences things may be different.

The runner up speakers out of the ones I auditioned were the T&F Pharaoh's and the Brodmann Vienna Classic VC7. The next group down from that were the Sonus Faber Stradivari, Proac D40's and Big Quad ESL's (I also owned). The Harbeth's (using LFD amps) didn't really do anything for me, I thought they were boring but similar designed modified Spender SP 1's (using Leak 20 amp) sounded quite good, so go figure. Listening in unfamiliar rooms with associated gear I am also unfamiliar with, isn't ideal. I only had five different pairs of speakers for home audition but usually took my Shindo preamp with me on auditions to swap in and out. I really didn't like any of the usual Hifi speakers like Focal, B&W 800's, Usher, Dyn's etc Even though I had K2P and 13" sub Focal's in my car for the last 7 years and will continue too, as I can't be bothered changing them.

The first thing I liked about the O96's was the tweeter and 10 inch driver being coherent enough for me, which I never thought possible. The sound feels together, which I noticed in the Gibbon 88's as well. Coming from Quad esl's many of the speakers I auditioned weren't coherent enough for me, which spoilt the listening event. I'm not saying the O96's are as coherent as some others, but it is coherent enough that I never have to worry about it.

The second thing I loved is it changes the way I listen to music. Auditioning SRV's Tin Pin Alley on other speakers had me analyzing the sound, for example thinking about the Bass and marveling at how I could tell in was a Fender precision for example. I was stuck in my head making judgements on the details of sounds. With the O96's I would listen to Tin Pin Alley and marvel at how the three musicians were in the groove with each other. I would feel the synergy of the band and get lost in the performance. I would be listening with my heart having an emotional response rather than comparing which albums were recorded better. There was less comparing and more enjoying. I was listening to music on my O96's like I listen to music at a concert, rather than in a recording studio pulling it apart and analyzing it. This allows me to go back to listening to music I want to hear rather than chase quality recordings. Even bad recordings that I could never stand listening on my hifi super detailed system, now sounded great as it was about the flow and timing of the music more than the sounds. Another example is Hotel California acoustic version, I can't stand listening to this song as I have heard it to many times and analyzed it to death on different systems. I have a million things running through my head during the track - is the bass bloated is the sound stage wide and deep etc I was listening to this by accident through the Devore O96's when I first got my Shindo Haut Brion and and the start of the performance when the audience starts to clap as it realizes for the first time the song is a rearranged Hotel California, I get this huge emotional reaction like I am in the audience witnessing history, like I am about to hear something really big and momentous. The feelings of the audience, in the occasion, where flowing through me. This is a song I can't stand ha ha. I was lost in the musical event during the previous song and wasn't able to judge the song analytically as it came on. I was listening to some old audiophile reference track CD I had recently found (not knowing what songs were on it) and stayed lost listening to it. Listening with my heart rather than with my head is the best way to put it.

The third thing I liked about the Devores was the tone. My background is a guitarist that is obsessed with tone. I collect vintage amps like vox, marshalls and fenders because there is something I hear in them that I can't hear in many modern designs. Its like a brand new pair of stiff jeans vs an old pair than fits like a glove. There is an artificial tightness to the sound that is hard to put a finger on. Most Hifi speakers with modern materials in the cones just don't have the same naturalness about the tone, when I hear an audience clapping it doesn't sound anything like clapping to me, there is a sharpness that is artificial, its missing a warmness its like the clapping is done with metal hands rather that soft skin and flesh. In the act of cleaning up the sound in the name of hyper detail the texture has been bleached out.

Fourth is the rich Harmonic's. I have an old Lowden guitar that has so much character its woody, harmonic, rich, interesting. It gives me goose bumps playing in alternative tunings. In a similar way I get excited hearing the O96's, they are rich and alive sounding and interesting. To me they have more detail in this way than many of the other speakers I tried.

Fifth I really love the tweeter on the O96. It does treble how I like to hear it. The T&F Pharaoh is more hyper detailed and sharp and ruthless toward bad recordings. The O96's let cymbals disappear slowly into the abyss in a way that is emotionally exciting delicate and beautiful. Changing to Shindo cables did help perfect this in my system. It feels tantalizing to hear the cymbals texture but also hear it disappear like the flavor of good champagne slowly disappearing from the mouth. The anticipation of it leaving adds another layer of enjoyment to the event.

Sixth The bass is more like the bass I felt playing in bands...

I don't have time to go on but I will come back with more on why I love these speakers and add the things they don't do so well, when I get time.

Fantastic post! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.


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I have had the O96's for around 10 months, in two different homes and they are far and away my favorite speakers in this price range.

The review probably relates just as much to my Shindo amps or cables or any other part of my system as I am trying to get more of the things I love. With different amp preferences things may be different.

The runner up speakers out of the ones I auditioned were the T&F Pharaoh's and the Brodmann Vienna Classic VC7. The next group down from that were the Sonus Faber Stradivari, Proac D40's and Big Quad ESL's (I also owned). The Harbeth's (using LFD amps) didn't really do anything for me, I thought they were boring but similar designed modified Spender SP 1's (using Leak 20 amp) sounded quite good, so go figure. Listening in unfamiliar rooms with associated gear I am also unfamiliar with, isn't ideal. I only had five different pairs of speakers for home audition but usually took my Shindo preamp with me on auditions to swap in and out. I really didn't like any of the usual Hifi speakers like Focal, B&W 800's, Usher, Dyn's etc Even though I had K2P and 13" sub Focal's in my car for the last 7 years and will continue too, as I can't be bothered changing them.

The first thing I liked about the O96's was the tweeter and 10 inch driver being coherent enough for me, which I never thought possible. The sound feels together, which I noticed in the Gibbon 88's as well. Coming from Quad esl's many of the speakers I auditioned weren't coherent enough for me, which spoilt the listening event. I'm not saying the O96's are as coherent as some others, but it is coherent enough that I never have to worry about it.

The second thing I loved is it changes the way I listen to music. Auditioning SRV's Tin Pin Alley on other speakers had me analyzing the sound, for example thinking about the Bass and marveling at how I could tell in was a Fender precision for example. I was stuck in my head making judgements on the details of sounds. With the O96's I would listen to Tin Pin Alley and marvel at how the three musicians were in the groove with each other. I would feel the synergy of the band and get lost in the performance. I would be listening with my heart having an emotional response rather than comparing which albums were recorded better. There was less comparing and more enjoying. I was listening to music on my O96's like I listen to music at a concert, rather than in a recording studio pulling it apart and analyzing it. This allows me to go back to listening to music I want to hear rather than chase quality recordings. Even bad recordings that I could never stand listening on my hifi super detailed system, now sounded great as it was about the flow and timing of the music more than the sounds. Another example is Hotel California acoustic version, I can't stand listening to this song as I have heard it to many times and analyzed it to death on different systems. I have a million things running through my head during the track - is the bass bloated is the sound stage wide and deep etc I was listening to this by accident through the Devore O96's when I first got my Shindo Haut Brion and and the start of the performance when the audience starts to clap as it realizes for the first time the song is a rearranged Hotel California, I get this huge emotional reaction like I am in the audience witnessing history, like I am about to hear something really big and momentous. The feelings of the audience, in the occasion, where flowing through me. This is a song I can't stand ha ha. I was lost in the musical event during the previous song and wasn't able to judge the song analytically as it came on. I was listening to some old audiophile reference track CD I had recently found (not knowing what songs were on it) and stayed lost listening to it. Listening with my heart rather than with my head is the best way to put it.

The third thing I liked about the Devores was the tone. My background is a guitarist that is obsessed with tone. I collect vintage amps like vox, marshalls and fenders because there is something I hear in them that I can't hear in many modern designs. Its like a brand new pair of stiff jeans vs an old pair than fits like a glove. There is an artificial tightness to the sound that is hard to put a finger on. Most Hifi speakers with modern materials in the cones just don't have the same naturalness about the tone, when I hear an audience clapping it doesn't sound anything like clapping to me, there is a sharpness that is artificial, its missing a warmness its like the clapping is done with metal hands rather that soft skin and flesh. In the act of cleaning up the sound in the name of hyper detail the texture has been bleached out.

Fourth is the rich Harmonic's. I have an old Lowden guitar that has so much character its woody, harmonic, rich, interesting. It gives me goose bumps playing in alternative tunings. In a similar way I get excited hearing the O96's, they are rich and alive sounding and interesting. To me they have more detail in this way than many of the other speakers I tried.

Fifth I really love the tweeter on the O96. It does treble how I like to hear it. The T&F Pharaoh is more hyper detailed and sharp and ruthless toward bad recordings. The O96's let cymbals disappear slowly into the abyss in a way that is emotionally exciting delicate and beautiful. Changing to Shindo cables did help perfect this in my system. It feels tantalizing to hear the cymbals texture but also hear it disappear like the flavor of good champagne slowly disappearing from the mouth. The anticipation of it leaving adds another layer of enjoyment to the event.

Sixth The bass is more like the bass I felt playing in bands...

I don't have time to go on but I will come back with more on why I love these speakers and add the things they don't do so well, when I get time.

voxshall,

Dude.........., this has simply for me, been one of the most insightful write ups I've read to date, and I for one understand how you can actually appreciate the manner in which the musical notes are played in their own separate space if you will........., you seem to more into actually listening to the music, more so then the components on a whole ( which is rare in itself ) as you speak on how the bass feels, as opposed to sounds speaks to my very core, and speaking on tone ( pitch in my world ) hits the point that I've tried for years to share with my closest friends ( whom get it, seeming that we're all musican orientated as well ) I want to write so much more in praise of how you've expressed what you hear/feel......., but there are times where I believe in some cases, I need to hold back, as mi someone over passionate about my beliefs, and allow others to sway my positive vibe.

But Man............., I've to say - you understand, and in the end, that's what seperates music lovers from others drawn to a fake sense of detail, at the expense of Beauty as well as Purity of Notes and Tonalty.

Your vibe is quite strong, on what you actually hear/feel, and I once again can relate.
 
Thank you both for your kind words. :D

To carry on with the sixth reason the Bass is not the tightest, fastest, punchiest bass, but its got texture and body and it blooms in a way that I prefer. It has more substance to it some how.

Seventh reason I love these speakers is the fact they boogie. They get my feet tapping away. I always feel like dancing when I am listening to them. They connect me to the rhythm of the music. I had the privilege of playing with some extremely gifted drummers in my early days and find that a good drummer is something I am very sensitive to when listening to live music. I seem to have this same appreciation for good drummers when listening to the O96's, which is completely missing when listening to many other speakers. This boogie factor is a big one. I should have put it up the top.

Eighth - I like the way they look. Being low to the ground gives an illusion of massive space above them in the room. The black recessed stand gives the illusion they are floating. I prefer the look of the T&F Pharaohs when they both have the grills on, as the round shape contrasts with the box, but I never have the grills on, so that doesn't matter. The lace walnut veneer polished to glass is incredible. New visitors say "Wow I love your speakers" when they walk into the room for the first time more often than not. Before with previous setups the comment was always "Wow those are some big speakers".

Overall I just find this system so enjoyable. It has completely cured my need to upgrade. Not that I wouldn't upgrade if opportunities came up, an A23 T2 SUT over the standard SUT here or moving up the Shindo preamp line there. But I don't obsess about chasing the next improvement. I can take it or leave it. Because this system has me enjoying the musical event rather than chasing better sound, I don't feel like I'm missing out. Sure comparing a Shindo Petrus to my preamp in an A/B comparison would bring up improvements, but I am emotionally moved by my system already and thats just fine with me.
 
Thanks for your comments, vox. Speaking of your system, I enjoyed the Haut Brion myself when I had it- just wasn't suitable in my large room at the time. I still miss the tone of strings it brought to the table.
 
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Thanks for your comments, vox. Speaking of your system, I enjoyed the Haut Brion myself when I had it- just wasn't suitable in my large room at the time. I still miss the tone of strings it brought to the table.

Thanks Keith, did you use the HB with the Zu speakers, what was the sensitivity and how big was the room? I'm interested to know the amps limits. I do love the Haut Brion. I've loved all the Shindo amps I have heard, Cortese, Montille and Lagrange wish I could have them all.
 
Thank you both for your kind words. :D

To carry on with the sixth reason the Bass is not the tightest, fastest, punchiest bass, but its got texture and body and it blooms in a way that I prefer. It has more substance to it some how.

Seventh reason I love these speakers is the fact they boogie. They get my feet tapping away. I always feel like dancing when I am listening to them. They connect me to the rhythm of the music. I had the privilege of playing with some extremely gifted drummers in my early days and find that a good drummer is something I am very sensitive to when listening to live music. I seem to have this some appreciation for good drummers when listening to the O96's, which is completely missing when listening to many other speakers. This boogie factor is a big one. I should have put it up the top.

Eighth - I like the way they look. Being low to the ground gives an illusion of massive space above them in the room. The black recessed stand gives the illusion they are floating. I prefer the look of the T&F Pharaohs when they both have the grills on, as the round shape contrasts with the box, but I never have the grills on, so that doesn't matter. The lace walnut veneer polished to glass is incredible. New visitors say "Wow I love your speakers" when they walk into the room for the first time more often than not.

Overall I just find this system so enjoyable. It has completely cured my need to upgrade. Not that I wouldn't upgrade if opportunities came up, an A23 T2 SUT over the standard SUT here or moving up the Shindo preamp line there. But I don't obsess about chasing the next improvement. I can take it or leave it. Because this system has me enjoying the musical event rather than chasing better sound, I don't feel like I'm missing out. Sure comparing a Shindo Petrus to my preamp in an A/B comparison would bring up improvements, but I am emotionally moved by my system already and thats just fine with me.


I feel exactly the same as you about my speakers and system. Thank you for such a great description. Like you said, could it get better as you move up the Shindo ladder, of course.

But like you I feel no need to make any changes at this time. Just loving the relaxed feeling of sitting back and thoroughly enjoying the music.

Thanks again for a couple of great posts.
 
Vox, a big thank you from me for your posts as well. The whole point of a great system is to listen to great music. This whole audiophile thing (dynamics, frequency response, blah blah blah) just seems to lead to people being being overly critical of
just about everything involved. You're right, the O's make me tap my toes. Nothing is missing for me!
 
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