ClearAudio Concept in the house...

ohbythebay

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Hey..so first chance I have had to post this but got my Concept Wednesday. Very cool.

First let me say thanks to Jeff from A/V Solutions who not only made it possible but gets the SPARTACUS of the month award..Thank you Jeff.

So this is my first new commercial audiophile table as opposed to the legacy tables I have been working on for years. Its as basic as basic can be but really, isn't that what you want ? Basic and a fine example of German engineering. Love the deep rich full sounding tone of the table. It took a little getting used to the setup (designed to be very EASY but difficult for the guy used to doing his own thing...lol)

Loving it and paired it with a NAD 1130 to use as a phono stage (I have others but this was an experiment that has gone very right...)

Pictures !

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Rob,

Awesome table. I was thinking about something like this for my first TT. Congratulations!

Can you tell us about how easy/difficult the setup was? I am very curious. Thanks!
 
Joe, I'm thinking about the same thing. The last time I'd used a turntable was 20 years ago. I miss it. I'm consider getting one soon.:roflmao:

Rob...congrats! Jeff is the man when it comes to TT.
 
It's a beauty...

Very nice Rob. I like the simplicity of it. Is it pretty hefty weight wise? It looks like the platter is a substantial piece. I too am curious at how easy it was to install the cartridge.


Btw, nice avatar Joe!
 
Rob Congrats. I'm very curious about how this one stand up against your many fine turntables you have or had ?
 
Hi Guys...sorry for the delay...I slept in which is VERY unusual for me...

Okay, about the table...It is hefty...deceiving in how it looks versus weight..and the platter is a smooth heavyweight with a material that will assure no resonance. No felt mat needed (or wanted)

Setup could not be easier.

Unbox.
Put belt over sub platter and on the pully
Put platter on spindle
Remove tape on tonearm
If it was pre-mounted with a cart...Your done..All preset at the factory

I bought mine minus cart so extra steps
Use supplied allen key to remove tonearm cart mount
Mount your cart
Put headshell mount back on with allen key (leave loose)
Align the cart (easy because its just forward or back, offset angle is already set)
Tighten mount with allen key
Verify VTF (weight) with supplied gauge

Good to go...

VERY easy as I say ...the only negative (and this can be with many tables)...It is sensitive to footfalls more than some of the legacy tables I have had...but my DIY table had that too...I think a lot has to do how good, sensitive the arm , etc...So you want to be sure you have a good solid base it will be on or a sand box..

In my case, I have a Maple Butcher block on its way (15 x 20 x 1 3/4) and sorbothene feet for under the block...

The table sounds incredibly rich and detailed...cover the carbon fiber arm and the magnetic type pivot...speed is spot on

If you are looking for a NEW good table, this is it. I have tried ones below this range...they are okay but no where near the sound quality of precision of build....THANK YOU JEFF FOR TEACHING THIS OLD DOG NEWS TRICKS>...lol

Advice though..GET AN MC cart and phono stage with this table...If you want to enjoy vinyl, the MC will be quieter, more detailed, wider...

Whew..big post...LOL
 
So Rob...this begs the question: how does this compare to some of the vintage tables you have on hand and is it worth the premium $$$s? Congrats again.
 
I'm not liking your answers Rob. A few months ago I was determined to put this crazy notion of getting back into vinyl to rest. Now you, and this site, are making it creep back into my head!!!

Thanks for the detailed response. I think...
 
Okay...details..how does it compare..AND YES...get back to or start vinyl...serious...its a whole depth of sound you cant get from digital music..

Form fit and style
It is definitely a more modern style than the Dual's, Pioneers, Marantz, Kenwoods I have owned. But the materials feel so much more refined. Most of those legacy tables, even with wood look were just veneer. There was always a "plastic" feel to them. Even the arms sometimes would have metal tonearms but painted plastic pivots and such or tonearm bases.

So the form fit and style of the Concept is far superior. The feel of the carbon fiber arm. The REAL brushed metal pivot section and painted metal and chrome arm base. Solid.

The bases feels awesome, like it was one solid piece of material and somewhere in there is a small DC motor...as opposed to "hollow" legacy tables. No plastic bottom either.

Functionality
Okay, it is a manual table. Most of the best are .Even my DIY table was a full manual although I did install an Audio Technica riser (small device that lifts the tonearm at the end ..pretty cool...will show a pic). A lot of my legacy tables were semi-auto or auto...which functionally is nice but all the rest of that gear (levers, cogs, etc) just adds complexity and potential for 1) Vibration 2) Failure. Cant begin to tell you how many legacy tables I had to adjust so they would rise, move, etc. properly. So lets compare apples to apples, manuals to manuals.

The concept is smooth. That very cool platter turns and is dead silent and unlike so many legacy tables that had aluminum or metal platters that required damping, no such need here. Arm movement and cuing is flawless..in fact cuing is almost too slow...I could just about change my mind about the album, have time to swap it before the needle drops....

Also, many LEGACY belt drive tables require you to move the belt to another leg of the pully for speed. Not the concept. One belt, one pully, 3 speeds ...very cool. IMPORTANT to have 45 speed now too as they are coming out with remaster albums, 180 gram vinyl and 45 speed for better sound (faster speed less noise...that's why faster tape speeds sound better than slow)
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No hums, no hiss, no static.

VERY VERY easy to change the cart (for those who are not used to it, this is the one for you). Why? The legacy 1/2 headshells had a lot of play in their grooves so that you could change offset, etc. Made it a pain sometimes to align. With this, you mount the cart, move it forward or back (not canted) to where the stylus tip hits the right spot on a gauge and bang, You are aligned. Very easy.

All in all, I am so glad I did this..legacy tables...no more in the cards for me. I do have a brand new ATLp120 DJ style table that I bought for my work office...pretty damn fine for $209 dollars...but again...that is for an office table..NOT my rig..no way.

Does this help ? Ask away if I missed something...

Audio Technica tonearm riser

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Platter damping on legacy tables - otherwise they ring like a bell !
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I'm not liking your answers Rob. A few months ago I was determined to put this crazy notion of getting back into vinyl to rest. Now you, and this site, are making it creep back into my head!!!

Thanks for the detailed response. I think...

Doug...you wont regret it...and if you get a nice table, no one says you have to hear CRAP records. There are a ton of NEW remasters and even older albums, I only collect WHAT I WILL listen to and only in pristine condition...so my collection may be limited (200 to 250 albums) over 90% are pristine...working on the other 10%...lol

Its a joy to spin vinyl..sort of like a glass of wine and a good cigar..maybe not 24 by 7 but nothing beats it...lol
 
[h=1]Fantastic Value From Clearaudio:[/h]
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If you pose the question, “What turntable should I buy for $1,500?” on an internet forum, have your hazmat suit on and be prepared to be bombarded with insults and advice.
You’ll get suggestions from all over the audio spectrum; new, used, and modded this or that. Of course, everyone knows what’s best for you and God forbid that you question any of the self-proclaimed experts should you choose not to take their advice.
All spirited debate aside, two of the top choices seem to be the Rega P5 and the VPI Scout. While I must admit my bias goes more towards the Rega than the Scout , I’ve even tried the highly modded Technics SL-1200 with good results and currently have a vintage Denon direct-drive table sitting on top of one of my equipment racks that’s spinning records rather nicely, so I’d like to think I’m not too closed minded.
However, the $1,500 price point is probably the hottest part of the turntable spectrum, because it represents a healthy jump up from a strictly budget turntable; by the time you add a decent phono cartridge in the $500 – $1,500 range and a similarly priced phono preamplifier, you’ve invested a substantial amount of change to support your vinyl habit. But you will get a huge jump in performance from the budget LP spinners as well. For many, this is the sweet spot where many will stay and for good reason.
I submit a new guest to the party – the Clearaudio Concept. Priced at $1,400 without cartridge, the Concept brings a lot of Clearaudio’s engineering excellence to the table at a price that most audiophiles can afford. To sweeten the pot, Clearaudio dealers are offering a package price when you purchase the table with the Concept MM cartridge for an additional $100, or step up to the Concept MC for $2,000. These are the only two cartridges that ship from the factory preinstalled, however your friendly neighborhood Clearaudio dealer is offering a 20% discount on any Clearaudio cartridge purchased with the table.
As the Clearaudio Maestro Wood MM cartridge was already in my reference fleet of cartridges, it made perfect sense to investigate here rather than with the bottom of Clearaudio’s cartridge range. For those unfamiliar, the Maestro Wood is Clearaudio’s top moving magnet cartridge that has an MSRP of $1,000. Definitely at the top of the price range for an MM cartridge, but remember, you won’t need to have a Moving Coil preamplifier or other step-up device, so the Maestro is indeed a bargain.
Speed is easily switched between 33, 45 and 78 r.p.m. with the selector switch on the left side of the table. While you will probably want a different cartridge to accommodate your 78 collection, the Concept could easily be pressed into service as a “78 only” table at minimal cost, if you have a large collection. Definitely another plus.
Top shelf construction
The Concept is a belt drive table, featuring a DC motor that is powered by a wall wart power supply. The platter is made of the same “POM” material that is used on their Innovation tables, albeit not as thick as the Innovation platter. The tonearm looks stunningly familiar to the Schroeder arms that also use a magnetic bearing in the place of a traditional bearing. This is the debut for a new series of magnetic bearing tonearms that will begin to be featured on some of their other turntables in 2011. If this is the entry level model, I can’t wait to listen to the models further up the range.
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If you buy the Concept with one of the cartridge options, it will arrive with the cartridge installed and optimized at the factory, so all you will need to do is install the counterweight and set the tracking force. Be sure to hold the tonearm with one hand while installing the threaded counterweight, as it fits very snugly and could damage the arm otherwise.
The factory VTA and anti-skate settings worked perfectly for the Maestro, and setting tracking force was a snap with the Clearaudio Weight Watcher scale. A quick check of the speed with Clearaudio’s Speed Light confirmed that everything was perfect. This is another table, like the Rega’s that will have you spinning records in about 10 minutes.
The sound
The Concept has a very neutral overall sound, with a weight and openness that I’ve yet to experience at this price point. I’ve used the Maestro Wood on a number of different tables at various price points and it is one of my favorite MM carts, offering a high level of detail and punch, without being harsh.
Listening to Madeleine Peyroux’ latest release, Bare Bones on MoFi, you’ll notice that this record, like her others have somewhat of a loose, natural, whumpy, almost underdamped sound in the lower registers. Where the Scout tends to overdamp the bass and the P3 doesn’t have quite as much bass there, the Concept comes through with enough weight to reproduce this accurately. I was as impressed with the quantity as well as the quality and definition of bass that this table was able to extract from the grooves.
It’s rare that a table at this price point has enough low-level detail to really define the hall characteristics of the recording, but again the Concept passed with flying colors. Extended listening to Neil Young’s Live at Massey Hall on Classic Records, or Cream’s 2005 Royal Albert Hall performance opened up a level of three-dimensional sound that I didn’t expect.
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During a moment of temporary madness, the Maestro was swapped out for Clearaudio’s $5,500 DaVinci MC cartridge, a master of detail retrieval. Granted, the small but mighty Concept did not offer as big a presentation as it did when mounted to the Clearaudio Innovation we reviewed a while back, but it wasn’t bad. If you are a real vinyl fanatic, I don’t think this table would be out of it’s league with your favorite cartridge in the $1,000 – $2,000 range if you care to take it that far, so this is definitely a component you won’t easily outgrow.
Extra credit
For those of you in the audience that can’t resist the urge to tweak your gear, here’s an easy upgrade for the Concept, take it off the grid! After the first peek at that inexpensive wall wart, I suspected that there was room for improvement with this table. A quick trip to Radio Shack confirmed my findings; making a custom cable for my Red Wine Audio Black Lightning power supply and running the Concept on pure DC made a marked upgrade to the sound.
Not quite convinced to drop another $700? Grab a pair of MN-918 6V lantern batteries from Batteries Plus ( ) and wire them in series for 12VDC. The middle post of the plug going to the table should be positive, which you can easily verify with a voltmeter. If you don’t have a voltmeter, you’ll know it’s wrong if the table spins backwards, so don’t put a stylus down on the record until you confirm the direction.
The first track played for comparison was “Day Dream” from Allen Toussaint’s The Bright Mississippi. Immediately after switching from AC to battery, the music comes alive with more texture and low-level resolution. Toussaint’s’ piano went from being constrained inside the space of the speakers to being about two feet beyond the speaker boundaries, with the other instruments having a better delineated space. I had similar luck with solo vocals and any other recordings having a lot of low level, airy passages. If you find yourself wanting to take the Concept to 11, this is an easy, no fuss upgrade. While you’re at it, pick up Clearaudio’s Concept clamp; this too wrings a bit more performance out of the table, especially with slightly warped records and is only an additional $100.
Conclusion
Whether you power the Clearaudio Concept with the standard issue power supply or take it a step forward with pure DC power, I feel this table is the new benchmark in its price class. It combines simple setup with stunning good looks and performance to match. We are happy to award the Clearaudio Concept one of our Exceptional Value Awards for 2010.
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Manufacturer’s Information
www.clearaudio.de
www.musicalsurroundings.com (US distribution)
 
Holy crap...NICE writeup...and damn..I have 12V rechargeables of that type (have two for running 24 volts into a phono stage). Using one would net the same...wonder why it would make such a difference ?
 
Holy crap...NICE writeup...and damn..I have 12V rechargeables of that type (have two for running 24 volts into a phono stage). Using one would net the same...wonder why it would make such a difference ?

You did good Rob. AND, you are making more than a few of us think.

Thanks!
 
I have to say, with this group, I don't think its about the money (I could be wrong) ...In looking at what most folks have, you make me feel like a piker...LOL...No, I am never jealous of others good fortune...we all have our blessings...with that said...

There is great enjoyment in vinyl that does not take away from your digital systems, it augments it. If I want background music, I hook my MS Surface to the rig and I have limitless music from XBOX music and the Surface has a damn good Wolfsen DAC.

But for enjoyment, relaxation, I spin up the turntable and pick a favorite album. And relax. I am listening not just background. The guitar being strummed, the placement of the instruments, is that John or Paul singing and where on the stage.

Plus, putting the record on, moving the arm...call it old fashioned but it is no different than any other ritual for something fine. Grinding coffee beans for the freshest cup, toasting a cigar, baking something from scratch vs a box mix.

The sound of analog is so much warmer and deeper too..plus as I have pointed out, some of these 180gram vinyl are incredible. They just came out with a new Doors box set that got rave reviews on quality. I personally have the 14 album beatles box set, Pink floys Wish you were here, Dark Side of the Moon and The wall...Michael Jackson Thriller and This is it box set. I have a bunch and looking to get the Fleetwood Mac Rumors special remaster at 45rpm...

The overall handling and look of the media...and vinyl has exploded in resurgence...never saw anything like it...

Be warned...you do it...you are hooked..you'll find yourself looking for rock, jazz, classical ...lol..Mint, unopened, remasters...Then there is colored vinyl...

Now ..if I haven't teased you enough..say you don't want to spend 1k on a table, not sure if you'll like it...There is a pretty good $200 table to try. some people give it a nose UP sniff..but I am a good judge...there is VALUE in this...

The Audio Technica ATLP120 ...Its a Technics clone and very well made...Amazon.com: Audio-Technica AT-LP120-USB Direct-Drive Professional Turntable (USB & Analog): Electronics

It is nowhere near the Concept but its a fine table for the budget or hesitant...

But if you want quality and a serious starter table,.Go with the Concept or better ...then there are no regrets...
 
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