Class D if so inclined

Just read the follow up. Those amps as tested with the new tweaks are incredible performers. If you really want to know how an amp performs, look at the 19 kHz and 20 kHz two-tone IM. This amp is -120 dB!

Here is the two tone imd for the Electroacompianet 300 M monoblock retailing for $30,000. It is 10 dB worse than the Buckeye. For 20x the price.

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That's not the total story. I wouldn't buy an amp based on written specs. It would have to pass the listening test.

There's at least one online magazine who pushes Class D like they get a cut yet not one reviewer has one in their reference system.

Maybe you want to replace your Mac I'm sure it doesn't spec as well as the Buckeye.
 
Just read the follow up. Those amps as tested with the new tweaks are incredible performers. If you really want to know how an amp performs, look at the 19 kHz and 20 kHz two-tone IM. This amp is -120 dB!

Here is the two tone imd for the Electroacompianet 300 M monoblock retailing for $30,000. It is 10 dB worse than the Buckeye. For 20x the price.

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These are measurements, how does it sound.?
 
I don’t have any idea how it sounds since I haven’t auditioned it. I don’t buy anything without an audition or an in-home trial.

And yes, I’d bet that my McIntosh stuff doesn’t measure as well as the buckeye. Probably about the same as that $30,000 Electroacompianet amp.

Then again, I am a vinyl nutjob and vinyl measures 100x worse than any of this stuff and still sounds fantastic.

At $1150 for a stereo amp I might have to buy one just to check it out. Purifi modules are designed by Bruno Putzeys who is an excellent audio engineer, one of the best.
 
Hi - so in your experience do all Class D amps sound the same that will enable people to get "same voice" with a sub? So would the Class D amp on an SVS sub be voiced and sound the same as one of Ralph's class D amps?

Of all the Class D I've heard there is a very wide difference in their sound.

Also many powered subs are class D. I've heard many that integrate very well with various classes of amps.

It would seem that it's more a matter of crossover type, frequency, sub placement, etc. that would dictate how it blends and integrates sound-wise more than simply "all class D". Would you agree?
Yes different topologies voice and drive differently even mosfets sounds different from bjt and different tubes sound different from each other ..!

You can hear class D voicing blind folded ..!

Regards
 
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You are splitting hairs, they call it ClassI but it's still a switching amp. Still not one of the under 20 pound items like today. And, unique to any other Levinson amp.
The No.53 uses what Mark Levinson calls a patented, multistage "very high speed switching amplifier technology," Interleaved Power Technology (IPT), which is claimed to offer significant advantages over prior switching-amp topologies.


In a conventional class-D amplifier, one output transistor connects the output to the positive voltage rail, another connects it to the negative voltage rail. It is very important that when one transistor is turned on, the other must be turned off and vice versa, otherwise the positive and negative voltage rails will be short-circuited and the amplifier will self-destruct. However, because one transistor will be turned off before the other is turned on, there will be a short period of "dead time" when neither is turned on. This is analogous to crossover distortion in a conventional class-B amplifier.


ML's engineers set out to develop a new PWM output stage designed to overcome these limitations. The transistors switching the positive and negative voltage rails to the load in Levinson's "class-I" topology are each connected to the load via a large air-cored inductor and to the opposite voltage rail via a diode. The result is a stable amplifier with an effectively doubled switching frequency. Modulating the duty cycle of the 500kHz switching frequency of each transistor results in a 1MHz PWM output signal but without producing anything like the usual amount of ultrasonic noise. So minimal are the ultrasonic artifacts in the No.53's output, it is claimed, that, rather than requiring a sonically degrading brick-wall filter, all that's needed to remove them is a simple notch filter.


The No.53 uses four interleaved class-I/IPT stages in a balanced bridge configuration, to produce an effective PWM switching frequency of 4MHz. This allows the No.53's signal bandwidth to be extended to 100kHz.


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Thats a lot of hairs being split :)
 
Interestingly I found this link in a thread here from 2023 where Anthony says you can hear the transition from Class A to A/B, at least he is consistent. A/B means there is some Class A bias in all A/B, it would be terrible if that transition could actually be heard.

 
As a former jazz guitar player, (with a clean tone on an arch-top), I loved my class D amps. I think the brand I was using at the time was called Clarus. Nice power, nice tone, and light!! Sometimes, living in the Virgin Islands, I'd have to load up the car, drive to the ferry dock, get my equipment out of the car, load it onto a ferry, go to another Island, unload, get into the back of a pick-up truck with home-made benches in the back that were loaded up with people to make multiple stops, never meant to carry people that way, be driven up & down crazy narrow roads on the left side of the street, get to the the resort/gig, get my gear out of the pick-up, get into a golf-cart, be dropped off, and then walk the rest of the way to the gig. All while not trying to mess up my suit in 90' humid weather. - I liked class D! :)
Can you imagine doing all that with a Fender Twin? Not that I don't love tube amps for guitar but it just wasn't practical.
 
I'm getting a VTV. Not sure the model yet. Probably the Purifi. I have to select the buffer and Op amp. I have been reading about which voices how. I have been lead to believe the Buffer has the biggest impact on sound. The Op Amps next. Stock buffer is ok. The upgraded VTV is much better. The Tube, while having higher distortion has a more smooth and digestible sound. The Op Amps are more fine tuning.

It's funny how Class D for the most part, benches much better than say a $180,000 set of monoblocks by any big name. It gets back to the idea that people like a pleasing distortion. That gets back to people liking Tubes over SS. I personally like tubes. My current tube amp slaughtered my Daretzeel in detail retrieval. Presenting instruments in a more realistic fashion. The Dartzeel on the other hand has a lot more body and warmth. More liquid. Not at all tube sounding.

Anyhow, I am blending the PAP Trio 15 horn and 15 coax. I have both speakers. I am using that tube amp to run the PAP Trio 15 horn driver. 1600 hertz and up. I have upgraded the driver to a Radian. I am currently using the Trio 15 coax crossover as well as the 10 inch midbass. I am using a Dayton crossover to handle the multiple amps. Inserting a Musical Fidelity A3cr was a nightmare. Way to heavy and fat. On its own, probably a sound many like. Not for me. And it did not blend with my tube amp. I am hoping I can find the right class D to blend with the tube amp. It may be a challenge. So many tell me blending amps is very very hard. Much easier to multi amp vertically with 1 amp brand than horizontally with 2. I am hoping Class D leans more to how my tube amp voices. The Purifi in particular. I am hoping REW and an AI can help me dial it all in.
 
I have yet to hear a Class D amp that I love with the exception being a Marantz PM-KI Ruby Integrated that had this beautiful, tonally rich and warm midrange but lacked some detail. You could listen to this amp all day. Even a couple of my local audiophile friends came over for a listen and said the same thing.

I have heard quiet a few from really cheap up to about $9k and including the Atma-Spere Mono's. I always find them a little unnatural sounding. I find that they do air, transparency and sound stage width really well. Bass is good but they just sound different than Class A and AB amps.

I have a friend that owns the PS Audio M1200's that are Class D with a tube input stage and he absolutely loves them.
 
My next attempt at Class D amplification will include a tube pre amp , BAT and a Bespoke model i have here , then compare the sound to the SS Ones ….

Regards
 
I have yet to hear a Class D amp that I love with the exception being a Marantz PM-KI Ruby Integrated that had this beautiful, tonally rich and warm midrange but lacked some detail. You could listen to this amp all day. Even a couple of my local audiophile friends came over for a listen and said the same thing.

I have heard quiet a few from really cheap up to about $9k and including the Atma-Spere Mono's. I always find them a little unnatural sounding. I find that they do air, transparency and sound stage width really well. Bass is good but they just sound different than Class A and AB amps.

I have a friend that owns the PS Audio M1200's that are Class D with a tube input stage and he absolutely loves them.
What impedance load is he driving them at ..?
 
I have yet to hear any amp of any type I love all the way around. They all have strengths and weakness.

My preamp is a First Sound. Its tube. I will never part with it. Same for my TT. I am still trying to find the amp and speaker. Which may turn out to be multi amp and my current speaker. Or maybe the speaker changes to something like a Kharma, Joseph, Devore. Or, all horn, like a Van Zyl.
 
What impedance load is he driving them at ..?

I do not know but he is using their BHK preamp that he recently bought. Prior to that he was using a Parasound JC2 preamp with them. He has become a PSA fan boy and even has their DSD dac. Speakers are the PSB T3's that I sold him.
 


Basically 4 ohm and up , sensitivity is good so easy to drive ..
 
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