Centaur Stereo Amp

Mark - the classe CAM600's (Stereophile Class A rated) have been the champ in your system for a while now. In what ways do you feel the Constellation stereo betters the classe monos? Lastly, in Fremer's review, he talks about the lack of slam of the Constellation. Have you noticed this or do you think this is perhaps a characteristic of the Constellation amp and Constellation preamp when run in direct mode rather than balanced?

I noticed more texture and dynamics when centaur was run from a tube preamp versus the constellation preamp (which I demoed). Constellation preamp won on low volume presentation - ARC ref 40 tube amp won on slam and texture. Also - did Fremer listen to it with Magicos? My S5s never had such slam as with the constellation amp. Synergy of amp and speakers is everything.
 
Darrin - I don't have the review handy, but I wonder what preamp he was using. DartZeel perhaps? I have never heard the Constellation amp with anything but a Constellation preamp. I look forward to hearing it with some other brand of preamp.
 
Darrin - I don't have the review handy, but I wonder what preamp he was using. DartZeel perhaps? I have never heard the Constellation amp with anything but a Constellation preamp. I look forward to hearing it with some other brand of preamp.

I thought the constellation preamp lost some of the magic the centaur is capable of.
 
Mark - the classe CAM600's (Stereophile Class A rated) have been the champ in your system for a while now. In what ways do you feel the Constellation stereo betters the classe monos? Lastly, in Fremer's review, he talks about the lack of slam of the Constellation. Have you noticed this or do you think this is perhaps a characteristic of the Constellation amp and Constellation preamp when run in direct mode rather than balanced?

Mike, Fremer's review was the only one that mentioned a lack of bass. In my system the Constellation absolutely "Rocked" !! It really excelled at Rock music better than any other amp.
And before anyone says Rock music always sounds bad, let me tell you that Rock is one of the hardest genres to unravel !! An amp that can break down all the many instruments in Rock or Classical is what I want, it's very complex music. It's too easy for a lesser amp to just blend it all together rather than decipher it all.

As far as the Constellation preamp goes, when I heard it at David's on the S5's, it had tons of slam, even more when run in Balanced instead of Direct. But it sill had plenty no matter which way you ran it.
 
I thought the constellation preamp lost some of the magic the centaur is capable of.

This is certainly seems to be the case. You've definitely been an early adopter Darrin and quite stealthy about it! ;). Was glad to read your earlier comments and look forward to more thoughts. From Mark's point of view you're sitting on a dynamite amp!
 
Wow, Mark, congrats! Seems like you're wll on a path to upgrading your entire system! First the Linn, then likely the amps, and soon speakers! Woohoo!:woot:

Look forward to updates to your journey!!
 
Darrin, I'm running it with the Classe' Cp800. which I think is one of the best preamps I've heard regardless of price. It was a magic combination !!
 
Mike, Fremer's review was the only one that mentioned a lack of bass. In my system the Constellation absolutely "Rocked" !! It really excelled at Rock music better than any other amp.
And before anyone says Rock music always sounds bad, let me tell you that Rock is one of the hardest genres to unravel !! An amp that can break down all the many instruments in Rock or Classical is what I want, it's very complex music. It's too easy for a lesser amp to just blend it all together rather than decipher it all.

As far as the Constellation preamp goes, when I heard it at David's on the S5's, it had tons of slam, even more when run in Balanced instead of Direct. But it sill had plenty no matter which way you ran it.

Thanks Mark. It sure sounds like a special amp and one that must be auditioned at home. Will we have a Dag vs Constellation blind shootout? :). We could sell tickets. :)
 
Thanks Mark. It sure sounds like a special amp and one that must be auditioned at home. Will we have a Dag vs Constellation blind shootout? :). We could sell tickets. :)

:exciting::exciting::panic::panic:
 
Darrin, I'm running it with the Classe' Cp800. which I think is one of the best preamps I've heard regardless of price. It was a magic combination !!

I totally agree. I've owned this preamp and it gets little to no respect. This is a world class preamp. As good as many of the $30k monsters out there....maybe better! :).
 
Mike, Fremer's review was the only one that mentioned a lack of bass. In my system the Constellation absolutely "Rocked" !! It really excelled at Rock music better than any other amp.
And before anyone says Rock music always sounds bad, let me tell you that Rock is one of the hardest genres to unravel !! An amp that can break down all the many instruments in Rock or Classical is what I want, it's very complex music. It's too easy for a lesser amp to just blend it all together rather than decipher it all.

As far as the Constellation preamp goes, when I heard it at David's on the S5's, it had tons of slam, even more when run in Balanced instead of Direct. But it sill had plenty no matter which way you ran it.

Sounds like it's right up your alley Mark. If the amps can make rock music sound the way you described, imagine how other genres would do. Nice!
 
Mike, Fremer's review was the only one that mentioned a lack of bass. In my system the Constellation absolutely "Rocked" !! It really excelled at Rock music better than any other amp.
And before anyone says Rock music always sounds bad, let me tell you that Rock is one of the hardest genres to unravel !! An amp that can break down all the many instruments in Rock or Classical is what I want, it's very complex music. It's too easy for a lesser amp to just blend it all together rather than decipher it all.

As far as the Constellation preamp goes, when I heard it at David's on the S5's, it had tons of slam, even more when run in Balanced instead of Direct. But it sill had plenty no matter which way you ran it.

Agree. My ultimate album is MoFi Supertramp "Crime of the Century". Totally can assess whether my system is working or not with that spinning.
 
Darrin, I'm running it with the Classe' Cp800. which I think is one of the best preamps I've heard regardless of price. It was a magic combination !!

I have read about the CP800 and I think John Atkinson and other reviewers bought it when they heard it and measured it. A true statement preamp
 
I have read about the CP800 and I think John Atkinson and other reviewers bought it when they heard it and measured it. A true statement preamp

Darrin, it's like the Lumin, it gets no respect because it's too inexpensive !
 
Sounds like it's right up your alley Mark. If the amps can make rock music sound the way you described, imagine how other genres would do. Nice!

Doug, you absolutely nailed my point !!

Trust me, if you find an amp that can play rock and classical, they will "Kill It" with stuff like Diana Krall !!
 
Mark - Glad you like the Constellation. Can't wait to listen to it with the Salon 2s at some point in the future.
 
Mike, Fremer's review was the only one that mentioned a lack of bass. In my system the Constellation absolutely "Rocked" !! It really excelled at Rock music better than any other amp.
And before anyone says Rock music always sounds bad, let me tell you that Rock is one of the hardest genres to unravel !! An amp that can break down all the many instruments in Rock or Classical is what I want, it's very complex music. It's too easy for a lesser amp to just blend it all together rather than decipher it all.

As far as the Constellation preamp goes, when I heard it at David's on the S5's, it had tons of slam, even more when run in Balanced instead of Direct. But it sill had plenty no matter which way you ran it.

Well, from what I remember of Fremer's review, his opinion seemed to match mine, of the Constellations. They had bass, lots of it actually. It's just that they were delicate about it. It's not old school, monster amp bass. And that causes a little bit of dissociation, since you're looking at this gorgeous, big amp, expecting prodigious bass, and still it sounds delicate.

That could lead one to believe the amps lack slam, but I found the Constellations very laid back. They were actually the most laid back amps (gear, actually, since I had the preamp as well) I've ever heard! So, they were perfect for rock, specially badly transferred digital like early CDs, or recent, compressed recordings. And while they were laid back, even forgiving, they were also absolutely transparent and resolving, with perfect resolution.

Needless to say, I was very impressed :) My only caveat was the preamp, whose ergonomics were not to my liking.

Oh, my impressions were on a Magico Q3, so yeah, Magico/Constellation is one sure way to go!

alexandre
 
The Constellation is indeed revealing, but in a very different manner than other revealing types of amps. It never sounds anything other than sweet and natural sounding.
 
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