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I was just wondering how many of these high end DACs these companies actually sell. Being that I recently got back into higher end audio I do not have a realistic perspective, but $20k +/- for a DAC just seems really high....
 
I know I am probably just being a stick in the mud here, but how many of these $20k type DACs can these companies really sell? I find it hard to believe that they can find a big enough market to keep in business.

I am sure that being that I just got back into higher end audio that my perspective is way off, but seriously, how many people can actually afford to put $100k+ into their audio system? Not that I am saying there is anything wrong with it, but I just am curious how these companies stay in business. And I know there are a lot of them out there...

Do many of these companies have sister companies, like Esoteric and Teac, for example. Honestly I am just being curious....

I run a business (pro photographer), and I learned an incredibly valuable lesson in a most unexpected circumstance; filling up my car with petrol/gas.

It was a handful of years ago, back in the UK recession. Money was short, people were worried and the markets were suffering. I was paying for my fuel and noted the garage forecourt being packed with very expensive 4x4s. Without thinking, I mentioned to the guy behind the till :

"I bet you can't sell those gas guzzlers for love nor money!"

Unbeknown to me, it was the garage owner serving me. His reply:

"Every vehicle you see on that court is sold, we have a backorder and can't get enough 4x4s in for the demand! We have an offsite garage full of small, cheap economic cars that we cannot sell at any price. People with money usually have money no matter the economic state or market demand. We sell to those type of people."

A literal lightbulb moment for myself. I adjusted my prices that very next day and now operate in a much higher market.

People with money know people with money. If you don't know people with money it appears that it's sparse, but it isn't. Different circles of people. You just have to locate and get in with those people. It's a much safer and easier market to operate in. Selling lower value gear is much harder.
 
I run a business (pro photographer), and I learned an incredibly valuable lesson in a most unexpected circumstance; filling up my car with petrol/gas.

It was a handful of years ago, back in the UK recession. Money was short, people were worried and the markets were suffering. I was paying for my fuel and noted the garage forecourt being packed with very expensive 4x4s. Without thinking, I mentioned to the guy behind the till :

"I bet you can't sell those gas guzzlers for love nor money!"

Unbeknown to me, it was the garage owner serving me. His reply:

"Every vehicle you see on that court is sold, we have a backorder and can't get enough 4x4s in for the demand! We have an offsite garage full of small, cheap economic cars that we cannot sell at any price. People with money usually have money no matter the economic state or market demand. We sell to those type of people."

A literal lightbulb moment for myself. I adjusted my prices that very next day and now operate in a much higher market.

People with money know people with money. If you don't know people with money it appears that it's sparse, but it isn't. Different circles of people. You just have to locate and get in with those people. It's a much safer and easier market to operate in. Selling lower value gear is much harder.

I have always been one who believes that you get what you pay for and that quality pays for itself in the long run, however this usually is within reason. My wife has $20k worth of sewing machines. Who would have known that was even possible???

And yes I understand about people with money know people with money.... but dam.... $90k for a DAC.... :).... and I consider myself a reasonably successful person, but that cost more than my Benz :)...
 
I have always been one who believes that you get what you pay for and that quality pays for itself in the long run, however this usually is within reason. My wife has $20k worth of sewing machines. Who would have known that was even possible???

And yes I understand about people with money know people with money.... but dam.... $90k for a DAC.... :).... and I consider myself a reasonably successful person, but that cost more than my Benz :)...

It's all relative right? If $90k for a DAC sounds outrageous, it means that you don't have outrageous amounts of money to spend on audio gear and the circle of friends you have probably don't either. There is Trump money and Chump money and some room in between. I just feel really fortunate to have the gear that I do and to have a dedicated stereo room in my house. And yeah, there are no $90k DACs in my future either. If I had $90k to drop on my system, I would spend it on analog gear anyway.
 
I have always been one who believes that you get what you pay for and that quality pays for itself in the long run, however this usually is within reason. My wife has $20k worth of sewing machines. Who would have known that was even possible???

And yes I understand about people with money know people with money.... but dam.... $90k for a DAC.... :).... and I consider myself a reasonably successful person, but that cost more than my Benz :)...

Herein lies relativity. Regardless of what we earn, we unconsciously spend/apply a percentage of our income on 'stuff we like'.

Your MXA70 for example, is more expensive than a lot of peoples family cars. Said people would have a fit if they knew that much was spent on a single piece of audio equipment, just as you or I may do with a £70K DAC (although we would understand) :¬)
 
If you have $$$, spend it anyway you want. I'm happy someone out there is supporting the audiophile hobby. Some buy Audio equipment, some buy cars, some travel, some invest, some buy real estate, some buy art and some just don't give a shit and buy a new set of golf clubs every year.:D

Man just enjoy the music, that's what its really about..
 
Yea, I get it that some people can get any level they want, which is fine. See that kind of stuff does not bother me at all. I feel fortunate to be able to own what I do... It just makes me wonder how companies selling that level of gear can actually sell enough to be successful. Then again the Ferrari and Lamborghini companies do just fine :)....
 
Yea, I get it that some people can get any level they want, which is fine. See that kind of stuff does not bother me at all. I feel fortunate to be able to own what I do... It just makes me wonder how companies selling that level of gear can actually sell enough to be successful. Then again the Ferrari and Lamborghini companies do just fine :)....

Indeed, and we all benefit - the earned income from TOTL gear can go back in to R&D, which trickles down to lower price points over time.
 
Well in a way I totally agree. There is no way just getting back into this crazy hobby that I could afford Esoteric, for example, however I can buy Teac which has a ton of trickle down technology from their sister company :)....
 
Ok, I'll jump in with my limited experience.
I won't be using a spinner ever again. After going first with a Linn Akurate DS and now a Lumin A1, I'm staying with this type of product.

Recently I had the chance to demo a Lampi GG and compared it to my Lumin. In my system,and my room, the Lumin came out on top. Now to be fair to the Lampi, I only compared PCM. DSD is not that important to me as I currently only own a few DSD files. But the Lumun plays those fantastically.
 
Ok, I'll jump in with my limited experience.
I won't be using a spinner ever again. After going first with a Linn Akurate DS and now a Lumin A1, I'm staying with this type of product.

Recently I had the chance to demo a Lampi GG and compared it to my Lumin. In my system,and my room, the Lumin came out on top. Now to be fair to the Lampi, I only compared PCM. DSD is not that important to me as I currently only own a few DSD files. But the Lumun plays those fantastically.

Agreed entirely, integrated DAC+server is the future. Nothing compares for the money.
 
I forgot one: the EAR CD player. Never heard a more organic sounding CD played in my life. Build quality is another matter.


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I forgot one: the EAR CD player. Never heard a more organic sounding CD played in my life. Build quality is another matter.
Guess you might not have ever heard a fully tweaked AMR CD-77.1 with Double Crown DAC chip, better output caps, etc. Double edged sword. My customers who have them won't budge.
 
Guess you might not have ever heard a fully tweaked AMR CD-77.1 with Double Crown DAC chip, better output caps, etc. Double edged sword. My customers who have them won't budge.

Nope. What's retail on that combo? It sounds like it will be much more expensive than the EAR.


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AMR stopped making them a while ago. The last ones were $11k. When introduced in '07 they were $8500. The Philips TDA1541-S2 "double crown" was available from one or more sources on the net but not direct from AMR, who used the "single crown" version as standard.
 
AMR stopped making them a while ago. The last ones were $11k. When introduced in '07 they were $8500. The Philips TDA1541-S2 "double crown" was available from one or more sources on the net but not direct from AMR, who used the "single crown" version as standard.

How far (or close) sonically is that chip to the 1543?
 
I certainly envy the many people here who own high-end DACs. That's not going to happen in my case. However, FWIW, I'm going to report that my Schiit Bifrost Multibit is the best DAC that I've own by a wide margin.

Most will know that the Bifrost Multibit is "trickle down" technology from Schiit's Yggdrasil DAC. Both use "closed form" filtering and non-audio standard R2R DACs. The sound characteristics are similar, though the Ygg is significantly more refined as one might expect. Both deliver (within their respective price ranges) great detail which translates into more accurate instrument timbres and decays, precise microdynamics, and extremely believable air & spacial resolution.
 
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