Battle over at What Hi-Fi

Mr Peabody said:
Urinate or otherwise damage a product being assembled for sale? I can understand a flaw like bad connection, glitch in paint, etc. but you are talking sabotage.
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I am not suggesting anything and simply sharing what was stated to me and the pictures shown to me. From what they told me they believe it was animals roaming the factory damaging the cabinets.

As they explained it when the distributor receives them, they need to pay for them whether they are damaged or not - they cannot send them back. He did not suggest sabotage, just lack of effective QC.

Kevin Deal himself (the former distributor up until a couple months ago) just publicly posted they have had to open every pair of Tannoy's they've sold in the last 3 years to conduct their own QC on them before they shipped.
 
MichaelsMinute said:
I was shown pictures showing speakers being received that were supposedly stained and covered in what look to be covered in urine. This was happening (supposedly from what they claim) quite a bit.

As it was explained to me, they had a customer receive a pair of Westminsters (~$54,000) speakers with this issue. When they then opened up their additional stock many suffered the same issue.

I was also shown pictures of speakers being received (supposedly) completely missing the driver with wires hanging out that were supposedly "ready to ship to the customer".
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Michael,

You have a tendency to post threads poking at topics and then when questioned about details and closure you simply redirect and turtle.

Youve now commented on these QC photos youve seen several times.

Now go ahead and post them here for everyone to see.

I also wonder if Kevin Deal ever told any customers about these QC issues before, during, or after the sale. I imagine not, or perhaps not until the very end of his tenure with them.
 
MichaelsMinute said:
As they explained it when the distributor receives them, they need to pay for them whether they are damaged or not - they cannot send them back. He did not suggest sabotage, just lack of effective QC.
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Your either being lied to or the parties involved are complete idiots and have no clue how business works.

If you anticipate issues then you dont pay your supplier until after the goods are received. If an issue arises and they tell you too bad deal with it, then you cut ties immediately and use whatever resources you have, including your written supplier contract, to recoup costs.
 
dznutz said:
Michael,

You have a tendency to post threads poking at topics and then when questioned about details and closure you simply redirect and turtle.

Youve now commented on these QC photos youve seen several times.

Now go ahead and post them here for everyone to see.

I also wonder if Kevin Deal ever told any customers about these QC issues before, during, or after the sale. I imagine not, or perhaps not until the very end of his tenure with them.
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I've posted about this for months and this topic is every where now. That is hardly poking when many are openly talking about it. Others have been posting about it as well.

We've even had former very-high-up Tannoy employees themselves comment with specific info and details confirming all this. I've provided links to many of these conversations which are publicly available.

And I've done videos.

It seems there are many that simply keep their eyes closed and then cry they can't see. Talking about a topic people choose to not educate themselves on is not poking. They are free to think what they'd like.

There is no drama here except for that which the consistent-few are trying to create. This is an audio forum talking about a variety of audio topics. Nothing more, nothing less - even if some people think we should only be talking about moon landings.
 
MichaelsMinute said:
I've posted about this for months and this topic is every where now. That is hardly poking when many are openly talking about it. Others have been posting about it as well.

We've even had former very-high-up Tannoy employees themselves comment with specific info and details confirming all this. I've provided links to many of these conversations which are publicly available.

And I've done videos.

It seems there are many that simply keep their eyes closed and then cry they can't see. Talking about a topic people choose to not educate themselves on is not poking. They are free to think what they'd like.

There is no drama here except for that which the consistent-few are trying to create. This is an audio forum talking about a variety of audio topics. Nothing more, nothing less - even if some people think we should only be talking about moon landings.
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Yet again, post the photos you have seen depicting these QC issues.
 
dznutz said:
Yet again, post the photos you have seen depicting these QC issues.
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exactly, post the photos or as the saying goes, "it didn't happen", if you are going to be an investigative reporter than back it up with proof. like someone said earlier, all companies may have a flaw or issue every now an than but shipping speakers without drivers, speakers with piss all over them etc I find very hard to believe

just curious if these supposed QC issues and photos if they exist didn't come from the employees that started fyne
 
dznutz said:
Yet again, post the photos you have seen depicting these QC issues.
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Agreed. Impossible to document product quality and QC "failure modes*" without...statistically valid data.

BTW, "QC" does not create "quality". Quality Control, aka QC, is a set of documents, procedures, and inspections that verify with data intrinsic product functionality, features, and quality attribues (e.g. reliability, durability) and documenting that "finished goods" show conformance to Requirements.

The actual quality has to be "engineered-in". If it's not there, "QC" will not create it.

Def: Failure mode: anything that that can do wrong.
 
dznutz said:
Yet again, post the photos you have seen depicting these QC issues.
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There is no helping the perpetually blind. If after everything that has been posted by former Tannoy employees and distributors over the last several months hasn't helped, then you've already made up your mind to ignore what is around you.

That is certainly your right and privilege.
 
MichaelsMinute said:
There is no helping the perpetually blind. If after everything that has been posted by former Tannoy employees and distributors over the last several months hasn't helped, then you've already made up your mind to ignore what is around you.

That is certainly your right and privilege.
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I'd like to see...the data.
 
MichaelsMinute said:
There is no helping the perpetually blind. If after everything that has been posted by former Tannoy employees and distributors over the last several months hasn't helped, then you've already made up your mind to ignore what is around you.

That is certainly your right and privilege.
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Stop assuming what I think or believe, if you want to advertise youve seen photos of something very specific then post the photos for all interested to see.

Unlike you, Ive owned 4 different sets of Tannoys over the last 10 years, I can support this with personal photos of them in my room. So I can speak from experience. Now, back up the claims you are making.
 
dznutz said:
Stop assuming what I think or believe, if you want to advertise youve seen photos of something very specific then post the photos for all interested to see.

Unlike you, Ive owned 4 different sets of Tannoys over the last 10 years, I can support this with personal photos of them in my room. So I can speak from experience. Now, back up the claims you are making.
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👌 As we say in Science: "Show me the data."
 
dznutz said:
Ive owned 4 different sets of Tannoys over the last 10 years, I can support this with personal photos of them in my room. So I can speak from experience.
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Ahhhh.....the truth comes out. Now it makes sense.

You're creating drama over nothing as you're personally offended. The Tannoy fanboi who can't handle the thought your precious Tannoy may not be all you were led to believe or have somehow possibly changed for the negative.

I'll take what dealers, distributors and past management at Tannoy I've spoken to over your hurt fanboi feelings. Don't be mad at me for sharing what they have claimed and what some have stated publicly on forums because you don't want to hear it. No one is forcing you to read this thread.

You're creating all this drama and keeping your head in the sand to protect your ego.

I think you called Dizzie a "delicate flower" the other day. I think you need to look in the mirror. Now it makes so much sense as to why you're keeping your head in the sand over the last few months.

Enjoy your Tannoy's and save your attempts at drama. I'm not getting dragged into your personal battle to save your ego. I just don't care what you think. Believe what you will.

Have a nice night.
 
MichaelsMinute said:
Ahhhh.....the truth comes out. Now it makes sense.

You're creating drama over nothing as you're personally offended. The Tannoy fanboi who can't handle the thought your precious Tannoy may not be all you were led to believe.

I'll take what dealers, distributors and past management at Tannoy I've spoken to over your hurt fanboi feelings. Don't be mad at me for sharing what they have claimed and what some have stated publicly because you don't want to hear it. No one is forcing you to read this thread.

You're creating all this drama and keeping your head in the sand to protect your ego.

I think you called Dizzie a "delicate flower" the other day. I think you need to look in the mirror. Now it makes so much sense as to why you're keeping your head in the sand over the last few months.

Enjoy your Tannoy's and save your attempts at drama. I'm not getting dragged into your personal battle to save your ego. I just don't care what you think. Believe what you will.

Have a nice night.
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you are so full of crap, if you had the pics you claim you have you would post it, the dude has had 4 pairs in 10 years, I think he would know if they had piss on them, missing a driver or had build/sound issues, only one that needs look in the mirror is you sport
 
MichaelsMinute said:
Ahhhh.....the truth comes out. Now it makes sense.

You're creating drama over nothing as you're personally offended. The Tannoy fanboi who can't handle the thought your precious Tannoy may not be all you were led to believe or have somehow possibly changed for the negative.

I'll take what dealers, distributors and past management at Tannoy I've spoken to over your hurt fanboi feelings. Don't be mad at me for sharing what they have claimed and what some have stated publicly on forums because you don't want to hear it. No one is forcing you to read this thread.

You're creating all this drama and keeping your head in the sand to protect your ego.

I think you called Dizzie a "delicate flower" the other day. I think you need to look in the mirror. Now it makes so much sense as to why you're keeping your head in the sand over the last few months.

Enjoy your Tannoy's and save your attempts at drama. I'm not getting dragged into your personal battle to save your ego. I just don't care what you think. Believe what you will.

Have a nice night.
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You continue to show how much of an !&$*# you are for constantly assuming when all that I have asked for is proof of what you profess.

I have owned more equipment in the last 15 years then you will in your entire life. I am a fanboi of nothing, especially not Tannoy.

Both pairs of GRF90's I received had quality issues. I noticed, but perhaps many owners would not. I could see that even then there was a turn for the worse as they began using walnut veneer, yet all marketing material stated solid wood. So rest assured I am no stranger to what has been said here, however, I need to see some proof, not just some empty words.

So again, lets see the photos.
 
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