Atlantic DAC - Incoming
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Yes, you can do this, but SPDIF won't pass DSD and is far from an ideal connection. But it works.
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I'm really a big fan of the A1. It's still my favorite Lumin - all things considered. I haven't compared the Lumin A1 vs the Atlantic via SPDIF.
I have some incredible digital sources: Lumin, Lampizator, Berkeley REF 2, Chord DAVE, PS Audio DirectStream, Aurender, Ayre QX-5 Twenty (incoming). We could have one hell of a shoot out if you lived here!
Re: Tube rectifier vs solid state PSU
I think its the tube vs SS that is the big difference. i dont think the PSU itself would be different.
I think its the tube vs SS that is the big difference. i dont think the PSU itself would be different.
arthurs
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I would fly in for that!
Audio 1
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Only a 90 minute drive for me!
6moons review is in
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews2/lampizator2/1.html
Stock Atlantic w/out upgrades.
The short version: they thought it was very good in PCM, and one of the best available in DSD.
Taking this together with the hifiknights review (which was a recommended read by the 6moons review), the conclusion would have to be that if you like to listen to DSD, or with PCM upsampled to DSD, this is probably the DAC to get if you can't afford a Golden Gate.
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews2/lampizator2/1.html
Stock Atlantic w/out upgrades.
The short version: they thought it was very good in PCM, and one of the best available in DSD.
Taking this together with the hifiknights review (which was a recommended read by the 6moons review), the conclusion would have to be that if you like to listen to DSD, or with PCM upsampled to DSD, this is probably the DAC to get if you can't afford a Golden Gate.
Lee Henley
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Re: 6moons review is in
I couldn't agree more mate, having compared a GG to my Atlantic which is stock, the Atlantic sure does perform quite admirably against the GG.
In the very very near future I'll get the opportunity to compare the stock Atlantic to a tube rectified version, hopefully next week if all goes to plan
here is a pic of the incoming Dac as seen at the UK Windsor HiFi show, stay tuned folks
https://www.flickr.com/gp/142992602@N06/8o3k8d
I couldn't agree more mate, having compared a GG to my Atlantic which is stock, the Atlantic sure does perform quite admirably against the GG.
In the very very near future I'll get the opportunity to compare the stock Atlantic to a tube rectified version, hopefully next week if all goes to plan
here is a pic of the incoming Dac as seen at the UK Windsor HiFi show, stay tuned folks
https://www.flickr.com/gp/142992602@N06/8o3k8d
Re: 6moons review is in
The Atlantic is very emotionally engaging and is an amazing value. If you decide to get it (I am assuming single ended version), my vote would be to get it tube rectified, with additional DSD512 "chipless" engine and with full superclocks! We just had a demo event in Liechtenstein with it and the German Lite7 (der Seibener) and while the Siebener had the more clinical sound (and perhaps BOLDER presentation), we all preferred the Atlantic (personal taste?). The stock recti (Soviet 5Y3) was very decent, but was less HF extended than the favourite 5R4gy (double MICA construction with ceramic spacer - normally branded as Fivre/Haltron/Zaerix/CEI, etc) and generally costs a max of $50 delivered on EBAY! The next favourite was the RCA-JAN WW2 5R4GY which is normally less that $80 delivered! I was shocking how much difference the recti makes. We even tried a plug in SS recti and that was the worst. Ironically, the most expensive we tried was a NOS 1957 Phillips metal base GZ34 (up to $600 online) and while it was the most transparent and extended, some of the guys noted a tonality upshift which was not natural. Who knows what a Lampi KR5u4g, Tak 247b or WE NOS 274b would bring to the party?
Brian: I never heard the Amber 1 or Amber 2, but I am told its entry level price but FAR from entry level sound. I may even be a bigger bargain in absolute terms, but I cant see it beating even a stock Atlantic (based on feedback I read). The Atlantic sounds waaaaay better than I expected.
The Atlantic is a destination Dac for many many people. I have heard of 4 'philes who have stopped thinking of any future upgrades...they are DONE!
Feedback on the tube recti version:
The Atlantic is very emotionally engaging and is an amazing value. If you decide to get it (I am assuming single ended version), my vote would be to get it tube rectified, with additional DSD512 "chipless" engine and with full superclocks! We just had a demo event in Liechtenstein with it and the German Lite7 (der Seibener) and while the Siebener had the more clinical sound (and perhaps BOLDER presentation), we all preferred the Atlantic (personal taste?). The stock recti (Soviet 5Y3) was very decent, but was less HF extended than the favourite 5R4gy (double MICA construction with ceramic spacer - normally branded as Fivre/Haltron/Zaerix/CEI, etc) and generally costs a max of $50 delivered on EBAY! The next favourite was the RCA-JAN WW2 5R4GY which is normally less that $80 delivered! I was shocking how much difference the recti makes. We even tried a plug in SS recti and that was the worst. Ironically, the most expensive we tried was a NOS 1957 Phillips metal base GZ34 (up to $600 online) and while it was the most transparent and extended, some of the guys noted a tonality upshift which was not natural. Who knows what a Lampi KR5u4g, Tak 247b or WE NOS 274b would bring to the party?
Brian: I never heard the Amber 1 or Amber 2, but I am told its entry level price but FAR from entry level sound. I may even be a bigger bargain in absolute terms, but I cant see it beating even a stock Atlantic (based on feedback I read). The Atlantic sounds waaaaay better than I expected.
The Atlantic is a destination Dac for many many people. I have heard of 4 'philes who have stopped thinking of any future upgrades...they are DONE!
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Based on the picture posted by Fred (Gopher) the Atlantic that is going to put in an appearance @ the GTG in Princeton NJ next Saturday seems to be the smaller chassis with remote and tube recti.
Re: 6moons review is in
A quote from the 6moons review:"the LampizatOr uses two separate paths for PCM and DSD. For the latter, the FPGA is programmed as a simple analog low pass filter whose output goes straight into the tube stage. There is no DSD to PCM conversion so the DSD signal bypasses the R-2R ladder altogether. "
If I read this correctly, the DAC, that 6moons reviewed, is not a stock Atlantic, as it had a separate engine for DSD. The stock Atlantic supports DSD through the R2R engine and switches between PCM and DSD automatically. So, all the conclusions that 6moons made about DSD sound have been made based on the sound of the old Lampizator analog filter based DSD engine..
A quote from the 6moons review:"the LampizatOr uses two separate paths for PCM and DSD. For the latter, the FPGA is programmed as a simple analog low pass filter whose output goes straight into the tube stage. There is no DSD to PCM conversion so the DSD signal bypasses the R-2R ladder altogether. "
If I read this correctly, the DAC, that 6moons reviewed, is not a stock Atlantic, as it had a separate engine for DSD. The stock Atlantic supports DSD through the R2R engine and switches between PCM and DSD automatically. So, all the conclusions that 6moons made about DSD sound have been made based on the sound of the old Lampizator analog filter based DSD engine..
Re: 6moons review is in
Or 6moons got the technical détails wrong.
Having used a demo unit with separate chipless engine , you would need to switch between them with the front button, so it would be apparent.
I am pretty sure it was the stock Atlantic with the R2R DSD256.
Or 6moons got the technical détails wrong.
Having used a demo unit with separate chipless engine , you would need to switch between them with the front button, so it would be apparent.
I am pretty sure it was the stock Atlantic with the R2R DSD256.
You could be right, but for sure no separate chipless DSD engine on top of all that.
Re: 6moons review is in
I read on another forum, that with R2R, a DAC converts DSD signal to PCM anyway before moving it to the output stage. Do you guys know if this is true for the Lampi R2R?
You are probably right, and in this case it is yet another evidence, that DSD trough the new R2R engine is really good.
I read on another forum, that with R2R, a DAC converts DSD signal to PCM anyway before moving it to the output stage. Do you guys know if this is true for the Lampi R2R?