UltraFast69
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Good guidance and reference on options to bring out the best sound!
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Good guidance and reference on options to bring out the best sound!
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I will check with our admin.
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Puma Cat
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Yes.
Yes. Though the Sigma XC is amazing for powering Power Distributors as well. The Omega XC is like the Le Mans-winning Porsche 919 sports prototype, and the Sigma XC is like the Porsche GT2 RS....they are both really amazing in their own right.
Yes.
MusicLover
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Thanks a lot, just what I was looking for!
Regarding XC vs NR: My take away is: Always XC from wall to distributor and then to the amps the NR.
<=> what about other components like DAC, Streamer, Pre-Amp, etc? Are they less noisy so XC or always NR between distributor and components?
Regarding production/delivery time: How long does it take for a new order from Germany until the shipment arrives at the dealer. Rough guesstimate suffices.
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- #47
XC power cables were "specifically" designed as the ideal power conditioner cables.
Virtually ALL audio components work best with the NR cables. So, its actually pretty simple to figure out.
For people that have computer audio based systems that may include music servers, NAS, monitors, computers, ether switches and any other purely digital devices - I recommend the Venom V14 and Venom V14 Digital cables regardless of the power conditioner or price/performance level you are at.
Virtually ALL audio components work best with the NR cables. So, its actually pretty simple to figure out.
For people that have computer audio based systems that may include music servers, NAS, monitors, computers, ether switches and any other purely digital devices - I recommend the Venom V14 and Venom V14 Digital cables regardless of the power conditioner or price/performance level you are at.
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When a distributor places an order they combine or batch several smaller orders from multiple dealers in their country. This means that the order will usually not be immediately forwarded to us. So this creates a delay and it is very variable depending upon the individual distributor.
We do not normally inventory international power cables (EU, AU, UK). The reason is that orders from distributors will usually contain "custom length" cables. Distributors do not want us to split orders since it costs more to ship individual cables as opposed to larger grouped orders. Since there is almost always custom lengths, we simply build all the cables to order since it takes the same amount of time. Under normal conditions this requires about 10-14 days to produce. Then, since we KPIP (burn-in) all cables for you this requires an additional 4 days to process.
So, I know it is frustrating and it can seem like a long wait but be assured that we are processing orders as fast as we can and still maintain quality. We ship hundreds of power cables to all parts of the globe every week.
On thing that can help is to encourage your local dealer and their distributor to actually inventory products locally. Fewer and fewer people do this with high-end specialty products. Just remember that distributors are individual companies and operate with autonomy. We cannot control nor dictate to them how to run their businesses; we can suggest and encourage. But we do like to hear from customers about their experience with their local dealer/distributors.
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The Sigma XC would be a fine choice for the Everest or any other power conditioner for that matter. The Omega XC is just better. And it is significantly better. But it comes at a price. So ultimately it is a ROI value versus cost decision.
No matter if it is the power conditioner or an individual component; when you level up you will always hear a significant performance improvement. However, it is best to approach power cabling with a balanced approach. Putting a super expensive power cable on a single component and leaving the other components with subpar cables is never good system performance matching practice.
It is best to raise all boats equally. The exception would be power amplifiers since they pull large amounts of current. This is why I suggest you "level up" on the power amps if you want better system performance but are not willing to go to the next level up for the entire system. It is like a half step up.
GSOphile
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"DENALI 6000/S v2
Good Value good sound
In: Venom V10 XC
Out: Venom V12/V10 NR
Great Performance / Reasonable Price
In: Delta XC
Out: Delta NR
Upgrade: Alpha NR on amps
Best Price/Performance (near reference level)
In: Alpha XC
Out: Alpha NR
Upgrade: Sigma NR on amps"
In cases 2 & 3 above, the recommendation is to optionally upgrade the amp cable with the thickest, most expensive cable in the configuration rather than the XC cable to the distributor. Please explain.
Good Value good sound
In: Venom V10 XC
Out: Venom V12/V10 NR
Great Performance / Reasonable Price
In: Delta XC
Out: Delta NR
Upgrade: Alpha NR on amps
Best Price/Performance (near reference level)
In: Alpha XC
Out: Alpha NR
Upgrade: Sigma NR on amps"
In cases 2 & 3 above, the recommendation is to optionally upgrade the amp cable with the thickest, most expensive cable in the configuration rather than the XC cable to the distributor. Please explain.
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- #51
You could do that. There are many strategies and pathways to upgrade. If the amplifiers are high-power or Class A types and the power conditioner cable is of sufficient quality, my experience is that leveling up the amplifier cable(s) gives good results. After that I would definitely upgrade the power conditioner cable next.
If you have many components in the system (more than 4) then yes I would say to upgrade the power conditioner cable first, especially if the power amplifier has a rating below 100 watts or is a relatively cool running type.
But now we are getting into the: if this, then that, but what about, mine is different etc. I think the point was to give some good basic general rules.
MusicLover
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Thanks for explaining the delivery chain! Makes all very much sense - that orders are pooled in batches, etc.
Regarding cable recommendations: The only thing that surprised me is that computer based components like servers would be fully served with a Venom.
=> Is there the underlying assumption that it is battery supplied so a better power cord would make no difference? Otherwise could you explain why that is the case.
And one last thing: With all the fine but expensive luxury wires. Of course it‘s best to have an all Sigma/Alpha system. But for us mere mortals like me that have other existing expensive cables like AQ Hurricanes, would it be sonically okay e.g. to have the other remaining standard cables replaced first and then maybe at a later point go e.g. all Sigma.
=> I‘m not per se interested in this very combination, but rather of a mix between Shunyata and some other fine AC cords, because I would expect not all customers will order straight away 4-5 Sigmas and call it a day. Have you experiences with such „combinations“?
Regarding cable recommendations: The only thing that surprised me is that computer based components like servers would be fully served with a Venom.
=> Is there the underlying assumption that it is battery supplied so a better power cord would make no difference? Otherwise could you explain why that is the case.
And one last thing: With all the fine but expensive luxury wires. Of course it‘s best to have an all Sigma/Alpha system. But for us mere mortals like me that have other existing expensive cables like AQ Hurricanes, would it be sonically okay e.g. to have the other remaining standard cables replaced first and then maybe at a later point go e.g. all Sigma.
=> I‘m not per se interested in this very combination, but rather of a mix between Shunyata and some other fine AC cords, because I would expect not all customers will order straight away 4-5 Sigmas and call it a day. Have you experiences with such „combinations“?
GSOphile
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Thanks for the insight, Caelin.
I asked the same question in the Denali thread but better to ask here.
Are the physical dimensions of the Everest 8000/T already finalized?
Also is the US version going to be compatible with Japan voltage?
Is the comment left 2 pages ago about good news for Denali users a sign that there is going to be an Everest 8000/S in a more classical horizontal form factor?
Thank you.
Regards,
Bernard
Are the physical dimensions of the Everest 8000/T already finalized?
Also is the US version going to be compatible with Japan voltage?
Is the comment left 2 pages ago about good news for Denali users a sign that there is going to be an Everest 8000/S in a more classical horizontal form factor?
Thank you.
Regards,
Bernard
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Yes
Yes
No. If you want or need a shelf mount unit, get the Denali 6000/S if you only need 6 or fewer outlets. If you need more outlets get the Alpha A12 or Sigma S12.
What I was alluding to in an earlier post is that there will be a “companion” device designed specifically for the Denali 6000/S. So anyone that already has a Denali 6000/S v2 may want to hold onto it for a bit.
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- #56
Are you asking if I have experience with other power cords other than our own?
Yes of course.
Can I recommend other cables that I personally appreciate?
Yes. David Elrod and Cardas and Triode Wire.
There are others that are good but I don’t sit around thinking about it. And you know what they say, “if you don’t have anything good to say ....”
If you already have good aftermarket cords, should you replace the other stock cords first?
Absolutely. For years we have preached the gospel of eliminating ALL stock cords from the system even if it means buying less expensive models in order to eliminate all the commodity cords. You will get better overall power system performance if you use a reasonable baseline approach to power.
RE: Digital Components and power cords
This refers specifically to devices that generate or pass purely digital signals and do not convert analog to digital or digital to analog. So this excludes DACs and CD players. It would include; computers, disk arrays, monitors, NAS, ether switches, upscalers, clocks, etc.
These devices generally produce high levels of power line noise and they have very high order frequencies and harmonics. So they benefit from a power cord that actually, measurably, reduces noise. The Venom V14 Digital cable was designed “specifically” to deal with the type of noise that these device generate. These type of devices do not usually benefit from the larger gauge cables as a preamp or amplifier might.
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Thanks a lot! Good news.
About the final dimensions of the Everest, is it too early to ask what these dimensions are?
Regards,
Bernard
DIMENSIONS
Width: 8.0 inches at base (20.32 cm)
Depth: 14.75 inches with cable cradle (37.47 cm)
Height: 20.75 inches (52.71 cm)
Weight: 34 lbs (16 kg)
u-sound
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hmmm 12-15k ?