Added second 20 amp line for amps

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Monday I had a second dedicated 20 amp line installed for my amps. Prior, I had a Shunyata Triton, for the source gear, plugged into a bottom outlet, and a Shunyata Cyclops, for the amps, plugged into the top outlet of a dedicated line. At this point, I was very happy with my two channel system. It was sounding great, and while I know everything can be upgraded, and/or tweaked, ad infinitum, I have been content for a few months now.


Not any more.


This second line has given a performance increase way beyond what I was expecting. After the electrician finished, and I turned it on, I could immediately tell it was better. Much better. Even cold, it was sounding great. The electrician even commented it sounded like the players were in the room, although he might have been just applying a little salesmanship.


One thing I was a bit nervous about was ground loop, hum, etc. The first thing I did after the amps had a few seconds to charge was turn up the volume and get next to each speaker. Zero noise, dead silence. Good. So from here on out it was let the music play, let the new circuit get acclimated to the house, and listen to the music, and it just got better and better as the night wore on. As the gear meshed, the soundstage became more integrated with a much more horizontal layered effect. It is uncanny. All in all, the music seems more relaxed, as if it requires less effort for the amps. In fact, at my usual settings, it does seem a bit louder, but that might just be because it is clearer, with a quieter background.


One thing is certain. I was literally just laughing over and over last night at how good it sounded. A song would play, I would smile, and then just break out laughing. To me, that was impressive. I just love how things done with this hobby can have such positive effects on my mood. At some point this upgrade will become the new norm, but I hope this does not wear off too soon. However, when it does I will be ready and add a Shunyata Typhon to the Triton used for my source gear. One thing though, in so far as return on investment, this has to be one of the better upgrades. For a few hundred dollars, it is allowing everything to work quite well together. Electronics, cables, speakers, and power are acting as one, and creating a beautiful sound.


To be honest, I think I get more pleasure from power and cable upgrades than from gear upgrades. I expect better gear to create better sound, but, even now, I am still amazed at the improvements from power and cabling. I have said this more than once either here or on other forums, but I now consider power and cabling to be the foundation of a system. A solid foundation allows modest gear to perform at its best, and allows better gear to perform at its potential right from the start. Without a solid foundation, it is impossible for any gear to perform anywhere near its potential.
 
Bud great stuff. I asked Caelin Gabriel about the exact same thing & his response was a definite yes, one of the better things to do in his opinion. Would do it myself but not sure if we will be here in another 12 months.
 
It is amazing how much difference it truly makes. I'm glad you are enjoying your system.

I've heard Caelin suggest dedicated lines before buying any power cords.
 
Congratulations Bud. I also noticed an immediate improvement when I added dedicated outlets. Without good clean AC the music seems to get obscured. I'm glad you are enjoying your system more.
 
Great post! Good to read how much attention your are paying to the most important foundation.
 
Awesome!! I'm glad it makes a difference. I just bought some 10/2 wire and outlets and covers and boxes and a couple breakers. Then I got a phone call that a place I really wanted to move is almost definitely coming available after the winter. So I'm not going to do anything yet.
But it's good to know its a worthy upgrade.
 
Yes, it does make a difference. I probably should have done it last year when I had the first line installed. On the other hand, I did enjoy the single line for a year, and now I can enjoy this line.
 
Bud, thanks for posting your experience with this. I've been considering doing the same thing. I currently have one dedicated 20 amp line for my system, but since getting amps that can run in Class A mode (Almost 500 watts each) I've been thinking I might need at least one more circuit. I actually had an electrician here installing a ceiling fan last week and discussed it with him. His advice was that if I wasn't tripping breakers I probably don't need it. But he was nice enough to do some measurements on my current circuit before and after I hit the Class A button on my amps. Before, I was getting 119 volts. After I turned on Class A the line went down to 115 volts. I have the amps plugged into the wall but all my other gear plugged into a PurePower 2000 so they should be getting a solid 120 volts, so I'm not sure if adding a second line would really help. Any thoughts?
 
In my experience it does make a difference.

And while the electrician is there, adding a third one is pretty cheap. You just never know about future upgrades. ;)

Bud, thanks for posting your experience with this. I've been considering doing the same thing. I currently have one dedicated 20 amp line for my system, but since getting amps that can run in Class A mode (Almost 500 watts each) I've been thinking I might need at least one more circuit. I actually had an electrician here installing a ceiling fan last week and discussed it with him. His advice was that if I wasn't tripping breakers I probably don't need it. But he was nice enough to do some measurements on my current circuit before and after I hit the Class A button on my amps. Before, I was getting 119 volts. After I turned on Class A the line went down to 115 volts. I have the amps plugged into the wall but all my other gear plugged into a PurePower 2000 so they should be getting a solid 120 volts, so I'm not sure if adding a second line would really help. Any thoughts?
 
Do you seriously just like to argue? Both are important.

No, but I like to seriously ask a question. This exact same thread was posted on WBF and several people including the OP want to say the cables and wiring are THE foundation of a great system and more important than the room itself and it sounded like from your last post that you agreed. I'm merely asking you if that is the way you truly feel. If you want to consider that as argumentative, that's your prerogative.
 
Indeed, both are important. IMHO though, I would say dialing in the room would have more overall impact towards balanced sound, 'cause I don't think cables will help solve first reflection issues or a big hump or dropout in frequency response. I was loath to admit cables could impact the sound like I heard when I started to add Shunyata Zitrons to my system (after having put dedicated lines in my room), but I am a believer now (damn the expense).

But to be sure, until I put SpringTraps and TubeTraps in my room the bass response made some overcooked recordings unlistenable. I think if I added cables or dedicated lines before treating the room I would have just ended up with cleaner sharper muddy bass, but still unlistenable.
 
Indeed, both are important. IMHO though, I would say dialing in the room would have more overall impact towards balanced sound, 'cause I don't think cables will help solve first reflection issues or a big hump or dropout in frequency response. I was loath to admit cables could impact the sound like I heard when I started to add Shunyata Zitrons to my system (after having put dedicated lines in my room), but I am a believer now (damn the expense).

But to be sure, until I put SpringTraps and TubeTraps in my room the bass response made some overcooked recordings unlistenable. I think if I added cables or dedicated lines before treating the room I would have just ended up with cleaner sharper muddy bass, but still unlistenable.

We are on the same page. Cables and wiring are important, but they are not as important as your room.
 
The room is important, but not everyone has the luxury to add room treatments or move walls due to WAF. Those with glaring room issues may select DSP. I've heard friends systems and they seem to have mixed results with DSP. I'm fortunate in that I do have a dedicated room, but many do not.

It is often more common to find flexibility with proper electrical and mechanical grounding.
 
No, but I like to seriously ask a question. This exact same thread was posted on WBF and several people including the OP want to say the cables and wiring are THE foundation of a great system and more important than the room itself and it sounded like from your last post that you agreed. I'm merely asking you if that is the way you truly feel. If you want to consider that as argumentative, that's your prerogative.

IMHO, the answer is that you can not rank apples and oranges, specially if you do not know the orchard where they grow. Surely we can debate the effects of room acoustics and power cables/conditioning, then anyone can rank them with his own priorities or preferences.

Also IMHO both are grey zones, most of the time filled with "magic" and almost unpredictable results. The number of variables existing in an audio system is so large that we can not have recipe books and most of all absolutes.
 
Dedicated electrical lines are a great value for the improvement received. Maybe not the most important but a sure way to improve your system. I've never heard from anybody saying they didn't like the sound afterwards. :)
 
It is good to see some people took the time to read what I posted. However, some seem to disagree with what, to me, is obvious. Or they just like to argue. :eyebrow:

I said:


....but I now consider power and cabling to be the foundation of a system.




I mean this in the dictionary definition of


2
: a basis (as a tenet, principle, or axiom) upon which something stands or is supported <the foundations of geometry> <the rumor is without foundation in fact>




Until somebody either develops excellent wireless signal transmission between audio components, or a single unit without cables that exceeds any separate components with cables, along with internal power supplies that run off air, we are going to have to use cabling and AC power for our systems. In the past, for me, this was more of an afterthought, or a necessary evil, not something which dramatically affects the operation of the system. This is the foundation, and the better the foundation then the better the rest of the structure.


Now being a free country you can do what you want, but, in my opinion, I have found that until you have the power and cabling in place you will never be able to hear your gear's true capability. Although I have read this for years from others, until I accidentally discovered it for myself by doing cable and power upgrades on my modest system, it never resonated with me.


A solid foundation allows modest gear to perform at its best, and allows better gear to perform at its potential right from the start. Without a solid foundation, it is impossible for any gear to perform anywhere near its potential.


While the best gear in the world can sound good, without good power and cables, your gear will not reach its potential.


While room treatments might help, without good power and cables, your gear will not reach its potential.


While DIY mods, tweaks, vibration control, etc. can help, without good power and cables, your gear will not reach its potential.


Of course these things can be done first, and will help, but with good power and cables, your present system, if capable, will perform at a level you did not think possible. With good power and cables, any new gear will be able to perform at its potential right from the start. With good power and cables, room treatments, tweaks, etc. become more apparent as they affect the sound.


As individuals, you need to decide what is important to you, and follow that path. However, I am planning on buying and moving in a few years to my father's house on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. I am already planning my listening room, and the first thing is getting multiple 20 amp circuits into it. After that, we will play it by ear. So to speak.


Merry Christmas.
 
Monday I had a second Dedicated 20 amp line installed for my amps. Prior, I had a Shunyata Triton, for the source gear, plugged into a bottom outlet, and a Shunyata Cyclops, for the amps, plugged into the top outlet of a dedicated line. At this point, I was very happy with my two channel system. It was sounding great, and while I know everything can be upgraded, and/or tweaked, ad infinitum, I have been content for a few months now.


Not any more.


This second line has given a performance increase way beyond what I was expecting. After the electrician finished, and I turned it on, I could immediately tell it was better. Much better. Even cold, it was sounding great. The electrician even commented it sounded like the players were in the room, although he might have been just applying a little salesmanship.


One thing I was a bit nervous about was ground loop, hum, etc. The first thing I did after the amps had a few seconds to charge was turn up the volume and get next to each speaker. Zero noise, dead silence. Good. So from here on out it was let the music play, let the new circuit get acclimated to the house, and listen to the music, and it just got better and better as the night wore on. As the gear meshed, the soundstage became more integrated with a much more horizontal layered effect. It is uncanny. All in all, the music seems more relaxed, as if it requires less effort for the amps. In fact, at my usual settings, it does seem a bit louder, but that might just be because it is clearer, with a quieter background.


One thing is certain. I was literally just laughing over and over last night at how good it sounded. A song would play, I would smile, and then just break out laughing. To me, that was impressive. I just love how things done with this hobby can have such positive effects on my mood. At some point this upgrade will become the new norm, but I hope this does not wear off too soon. However, when it does I will be ready and add a Shunyata Typhon to the Triton used for my source gear. One thing though, in so far as return on investment, this has to be one of the better upgrades. For a few hundred dollars, it is allowing everything to work quite well together. Electronics, cables, speakers, and power are acting as one, and creating a beautiful sound.


To be honest, I think I get more pleasure from power and cable upgrades than from gear upgrades. I expect better gear to create better sound, but, even now, I am still amazed at the improvements from power and cabling. I have said this more than once either here or on other forums, but I now consider power and cabling to be the foundation of a system. A solid foundation allows modest gear to perform at its best, and allows better gear to perform at its potential right from the start. Without a solid foundation, it is impossible for any gear to perform anywhere near its potential.

This is my next upgrade for 2014. :)

Merry Christmas Bud!
 
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