AC Power Cable "Break-In"

[NorthStar]

Grant, what audio forums are good for? ...Or aren't good for?

 

[Mike]

You guys do realize I work hard to invite and attract those in the industry to participate on our forum in order to educate us and answer our questions. You say you disagree, but you don't show any supporting measurements or studies either.

Suffice it to say, Caelin and Grant know a heck of a lot more about AC and DC cabling than any of us do. They live and breath this stuff for a living and they have said - they can't explain everything we hear - but it is generally accepted that breaking in a cable has positive sonic attributes and that has been my experience as well.

Thank you for your patience Grant.

 

[GrantS]

unless it can be proven in a controlled DBT….you can't ! , remember Bob, you believe in psychoacoustics !

Like I said, these topics don't really lead to productive dialogue in chat forums. I've never witnessed a successful DBT executed in on an internet hobby forum. It's the go-to cliche' of these topics.

If you take this to the logical extreme and published a successful DBT result by independent, accredited scientists--costing thousands; that result would only be refuted by armchair pundits and lead to more forum debate, to the delight of some. I usually see people posting images of popcorn popping when these topics are raised.

If people have legitimate interest in the science of anything we do, there is a lot of information on our web and in Caelin's published patents. We're also available to answer questions if you take the time to call. Not many call, but we get quite a few "prove it to me in 1000 words or less" questions on the internet. Some look to be entertained, while others enjoy on-line argument. Our experience tells us that these debates don't lead to a productive end because most on either side of the argument have already come to their own conclusions, either through their own experience, or the lack of it.

Regards,

Grant
Shunyata Research

 

[Mike]

Well said Grant.

 

[NorthStar]

Mike, I think that you are misinterpreting my involvement on this passionate subject.

Please, see my disagreement again; relating to.

We are intelligent people here among other intelligent people; so why Grant is saying that those topics shouldn't be publicly discussed on audio forums of the internet?
If we can find the answers to all our audio questions directly with the audio manufacturers, on their websites (or blogs), what good is it to have open audio discussions?

What is the Internet good for?

 

[Mike]

so why Grant is saying that those topics shouldn't be publicly discussed on audio forums of the internet?

Because they don't lead anywhere. He outlined their belief and experiences as to cable burn in. He explained they can't measure everything. But still - people insist on arguing. What's the point? You can't disprove it either. If your experiences are different - fine. But otherwise we are just going in circles.

 

[NorthStar]

With all due respect Grant, I don't understand why you are so (I just don't know the proper word), regarding open questions and answers and discussions?

Is there a particular type of question that we should ask on open public audio forums of the internet?
Please, enlighten me because I'm a little at lost.

* I'm reading all the posts posted by Caelin Gabriel on open public forums, and even less open public ones.
What is important for me is the direct interaction between people asking questions for all to see, and the replies from the experts.
I learn way more effectively that way. Am I wrong in my deduction? ...I've been reading audio articles and reviews and all that jazz for over 45 years, and I know what's good for me, and what's better. ...And I don't feel alone.

 

[GrantS]

I respectfully disagree with you Grant. Having open discussions on audio forums about cables is good for the brain, good for the information, good for the education.



And yet you made a remark before regarding that ditto post of mine. ...And that exact same reference link was used by Caelin Gabriel himself.



Thank you.

* Open public audio forums are a great place to get educated.
That is one of the reasons we're here, just like you are here and that we're having a discussion.

P.S. I'm glad Grant that you took my questions seriously, because they both were.
Not everyone can see the way you see and hear and read.

The first question was asked and answered. I did answer the second, though the information is publicly available and on our web-site. I've read your posted references to asking sincere questions out of genuine interest and a quest for knowledge, but this is starting to look more like a one-man inquisition and less like a conversation to me, Bob.

Grant
Shunyata Research

 

[MDP]

Ok Bob, enough is enough !! If you don't believe as others , state your point and move on. We invite manufacturers to come here and state their experiences. We welcome them.

If you don't have anything positive to add, state your belief and let it go.

Thanks