A Kharma Christmas

Ritmo said:
Ditto. I owned the Salon 2s as well. Agree on the the tweeter musical magic of the Kharmas.
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Hi Mike, I listened to the Kharma db11-S several times at Axpona on an all Nagra HD system. It was one of the best sounding rooms at the show. I love their bottom up presentation. Their robust and deep reaching bass provides a terrific foundation for the midrange and makes it sound even sweeter and more natural. As mentioned before, the treble is just effortless. This is a full range speaker with terrific dynamics that can fill up the largest room with sound. Tremendously musical speakers, well rounded with no weak points.

Ken
 
Many thanks, Mike, for an excellent and concise comparison. It’s a great reference point especially considering the Vivid G3 is considerably less expensive than the Kharma, I reckon?
The G3 is my favorite Vivid and I completely agree with the disappearing act comment. Also, for their size, their bass response is unreal. I dare say, in a smaller room, the G3 will sound better than the G1s

Thanks again!
 
I heard the Vivid G2s and the Kharma DB9-s side by side at Mikes. To my ears, the DB-9s stood toe to toe and musically slightly bested the G2s. I don’t know what to expect from the DB11-S.
 
crwilli said:
I heard the Vivid G2s and the Kharma DB9-s side by side at Mikes. To my ears, the DB-9s stood toe to toe and musically slightly bested the G2s. I don’t know what to expect from the DB11-S.
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The dB11-S is a full-sized full-range speaker that can fully load a large room with sound. It has the ability to play louder and provide more robust and deeper reaching bass than the dB9-S. The choice between the two speakers would mostly depend on the size of your room, based on my conversations with Mike at Suncoast Audio. I have a 21’ x 17’ x 8’ room for instance and he felt the dB9-S would be the best match for my mid-sized room. Maybe he will jump in with what sized room would be the best match for the dB11-S.

Ken
 
Alpinist said:
The dB11-S is a full-sized full-range speaker that can fully load a large room with sound. It has the ability to play louder and provide more robust and deeper reaching bass than the dB9-S. The choice between the two speakers would mostly depend on the size of your room, based on my conversations with Mike at Suncoast Audio. I have a 21’ x 17’ x 8’ room for instance and he felt the dB9-S would be the best match for my mid-sized room. Maybe he will jump in with what sized room would be the best match for the dB11-S.

Ken
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Ken, I have a very large area to fill, and the DB-9's have absolutely no issue filling the living room and the kitchen with glorious sound. That being said. I would have purchased the DB-11's if I didn't have to please a certain someone...............

But honestly the 9's are so magnificent that I never feel like I settled for less........they're the best speaker I've ever owned.
 
Alpinist said:
The dB11-S is a full-sized full-range speaker that can fully load a large room with sound. It has the ability to play louder and provide more robust and deeper reaching bass than the dB9-S. The choice between the two speakers would mostly depend on the size of your room, based on my conversations with Mike at Suncoast Audio. I have a 21’ x 17’ x 8’ room for instance and he felt the dB9-S would be the best match for my mid-sized room. Maybe he will jump in with what sized room would be the best match for the dB11-S.

Ken
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Ken - the DB9-S fills our 20 x 25, and I feel the DB11-S picks the ball up from there and plays into the 20 x 25 or larger room. It’s not to say they won’t work in a 17 x 25 (because they do, we tried it), but they really can “breath” and stretch their legs in a 20 x 25 or bigger. As you move along S7, DB7, DB9, you can really see the subtle progression. But the DB11 is a quantum leap in size, performance, etc. They are also fully biampable/biwireable or someone can just use a single amp/monos or one set of wires. There is a switch on the back and beautifully finished jumpers. With the price increase going to $60K+ after, there’s also a substantial jump in price too over the rest of the DB series.


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Mike said:
Ken - the DB9-S fills our 20 x 25, and I feel the DB11-S picks the ball up from there and plays into the 20 x 25 or larger room. It’s not to say they won’t work in a 17 x 25 (because they do, we tried it), but they really can “breath” and stretch their legs in a 20 x 25 or bigger. As you move along S7, DB7, DB9, you can really see the subtle progression. But the DB11 is a quantum leap in size, performance, etc. They are also fully biampable/biwireable or someone can just use a single amp/monos or one set of wires. There is a switch on the back and beautifully finished jumpers. With the price increase going to $60K+ after, there’s also a substantial jump in price too over the rest of the DB series.


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Shouldn't be looking at more than 2 dimensions for a given room? Saying a speaker is not, strictly speaking called for until you hit, say, larger than 20 x 25
is leaving out the volume of the room totally. A 20 x 25 x 8 has 4,000 cu ft of volume whereas a 17x25x8 has "only" 3400 cu ft of volume, HOWEVER,
you raise the ceiling of that 17 x 25 to a 10' ceiling and the volume jumps to 4,250 cu ft. By the same token, saying a speaker (the 11s) really breath
better when the room is 20 x 25 or larger leaves out other sizes where they might be called for, e.g. 20 x 20 with 10 or 11 foot ceilings which is the same
volume or more than the "guideline" room of 20 x 25 (with an 8 foot ceiling).
 
SCAudiophile said:
Shouldn't be looking at more than 2 dimensions for a given room? Saying a speaker is not, strictly speaking called for until you hit, say, larger than 20 x 25
is leaving out the volume of the room totally. A 20 x 25 x 8 has 4,000 sq ft of volume whereas a 17x25x8 has "only" 3400 sq ft of volume, HOWEVER,
you raise the ceiling of that 17 x 25 to a 10' ceiling and the volume jumps to 4,000 sq ft. By the same token, saying a speaker (the 11s) really breath
better when the room is 20 x 25 or larger leaves out other sizes where they might be called for, e.g. 20 x 20 with 10 or 11 foot ceilings which is the same
volume or more than the "guideline" room of 20 x 25 (with an 8 foot ceiling).
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Most definitely. I would say lower ceilings cause more of an issue. Whether it’s 10 or 12 isn’t quite as impactful than say 7 or 8.


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SCAudiophile said:
Shouldn't be looking at more than 2 dimensions for a given room? Saying a speaker is not, strictly speaking called for until you hit, say, larger than 20 x 25
is leaving out the volume of the room totally. A 20 x 25 x 8 has 4,000 sq ft of volume whereas a 17x25x8 has "only" 3400 sq ft of volume, HOWEVER,
you raise the ceiling of that 17 x 25 to a 10' ceiling and the volume jumps to 4,000 sq ft. By the same token, saying a speaker (the 11s) really breath
better when the room is 20 x 25 or larger leaves out other sizes where they might be called for, e.g. 20 x 20 with 10 or 11 foot ceilings which is the same
volume or more than the "guideline" room of 20 x 25 (with an 8 foot ceiling).
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I am sure it is a typing mistake. Volume is measured in cubic…
 
The Aubergine is remarkably subtle. From a typical listening position they look black. Only up close do they show their true colors. Very cool.

Oh, and they sound incredible. 😉
 
Do you still have the DB11 or did they sell?


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Mike sent me a video of his NAIM system with Kharma Exquisite MIDI speakers, now that they’ve broken in somewhat. The system sounds phenomenal! Just amazing transparency and refinement. He said he will post it when he has the opportunity.

Ken
 
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