501 Mono Amplifier

Bob,
Paul is right on with his description, and he is also correct about David Baskin @ Design Audio Video. I would venture that no one in the country has more experience with Solution gear than he has.
I think it would be a very wise decision to give him a call if you are at all interested in Solution.
I was listening to his Raidho D5's the other day with the 725/701 setup.............Simply the best system I've ever heard !!

I agree with both Mark and Paul that David Baskin is the guy to talk to re Soulution. He has more experience with the line than anyone I know. And not just w Soulution but he has also carried other top flight brands such as Accuphase, Mark Levinson, Constellation and Pass Labs so he has an excellent basis for comparison.

If it wasn't for David's influence and ability to demonstrate what he sells I wouldn't have felt comfortable in making my upgrade.
 
So much gear, so little time. (Unless I become a swapper... wifey might influence that decision.)
 
Bob, I heard the Soulution 711's at CES driving the Alexias with the 725 pre and the 760 DAC at CES. I've heard the Alexias on six or more occasions and I've never heard them sound so good! The components were perched on a Critical Mass Rack. The 711 is one of the best ss stereo amps out there today. It is heavily biased into class A for the first 25 watts. The unit does not run hot and does not have a cooling fan.

I got to talk to Cyrill the president of Soulution at the show. One of the nice things about Soulution is the design philosophy. When possible you can have your components upgraded to the next model. For example, owners of the 710 can have their units upgraded to the 711 for a certain sum. I believe the charge includes shipping both ways and a new warranty. Soulution understands that their owners are making a major investment in the product and make sincere attempts to stand by their customers.

Hi Le Roy,

After having heard both the Soulution 711 and 701 on the D5's at David's, any preliminary thoughts on the differences in sound and which way you might be leaning on the purchase?

All the best,
Ken
 
Hi Le Roy,

After having heard both the Soulution 711 and 701 on the D5's at David's, any preliminary thoughts on the differences in sound and which way you might be leaning on the purchase?

All the best,
Ken

Ken, you already know my opinion :D
 
Hi Mark,

How do the 701's sound different from the 711??

Thanks!
Ken

Hi Ken, the 701's are a bridged design of the 711 Stereo Amp. The power rating after being bridged is increased to 600 watts per channel into 8 ohms and 1200 watts into 4 ohms with a peak pulse power rating of 12,000 watts! It also has massive capacitance. Over 1 million microfarads. One of the advantages of this design there is a better structure for grounding than is possible in the stand alone 711. The housing for the 701 is much bigger and therefore can dissipate much more heat.

This is important because the 701's are biased for the first 60 watts to operate in Class A. But when you put your hand on top of the 701 it barely feels warm. This is also because of the replacement of the huge transformers with the fully regulated switch mode power supplies. No need for a separate air conditioning system in your listening room!

As for the sound I think that Harley gives a pretty good description in the January TAS about the sheer dynamic verve and assertive immediacy. I'd encourage you to read his account. I think that he captures the essence of the sound quite well. As he said in a different entry "their is probably not a more musically compelling amplifier out there".

As for which way I'm leaning, well I don't know. The 701's are a much bigger chunk of change. There is probably nothing that the 701's can't do. No speaker out there that they can't drive. They are powerful and subtle at the same time.

When they go head to head I'll know better. My feeling is that the 701's are certainly the SOTA.

soulution2.jpg
 
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Hi Ken, the 701's are a bridged design. This is somewhat of an oversimplification but inside each 701 are two 711's side by side. Each internal 711 as it were drives each channel coming out of the mono block. One of the advantages of this design there is a better structure for grounding than is possible in the stand alone 711. The housing for the 701 is much bigger and therefore can dissipate much more heat.

This is important because the 701's are biased for the first 60 watts to operate in Class A. This is about 10% of the total output of 600 watts into 8 ohms. But when you put your hand on top of the 701 it barely feels warm. This is also because of the replacement of the huge transformers with the fully regulated switch mode power supplies. No need for a separate AC system in your listening room!

As for the sound I think that Harley gives a pretty good description in the January TAS about the sheer dynamic verve and assertive immediacy. I'd encourage you to read his account. I think that he captures the essence of the sound quite well. As he said in a different entry "their is probably not a more musically compelling amplifier out there".

As for which way I'm leaning, well I don't know. The 701's are a much bigger chunk of change. But when you consider that you are getting four 711's (two per mono block) instead of one it puts in a better perspective. There is probably nothing that the 701's can't do. No speaker out there that they can't drive. They are powerful and subtle at the same time.

When they go head to head I'll know better. My feeling is that the 701's are certainly the SOTA.

soulution2.jpg

I still think the inside of that amp looks like a computer motherboard sitting on top of some giant caps. :)
 
Hi Ken, the 701's are a bridged design. This is somewhat of an oversimplification but inside each 701 are two 711's side by side. Each internal 711 as it were drives each channel coming out of the mono block. One of the advantages of this design there is a better structure for grounding than is possible in the stand alone 711. The housing for the 701 is much bigger and therefore can dissipate much more heat.

This is important because the 701's are biased for the first 60 watts to operate in Class A. This is about 10% of the total output of 600 watts into 8 ohms. But when you put your hand on top of the 701 it barely feels warm. This is also because of the replacement of the huge transformers with the fully regulated switch mode power supplies. No need for a separate AC system in your listening room!

As for the sound I think that Harley gives a pretty good description in the January TAS about the sheer dynamic verve and assertive immediacy. I'd encourage you to read his account. I think that he captures the essence of the sound quite well. As he said in a different entry "their is probably not a more musically compelling amplifier out there".

As for which way I'm leaning, well I don't know. The 701's are a much bigger chunk of change. But when you consider that you are getting four 711's (two per mono block) instead of one it puts in a better perspective. There is probably nothing that the 701's can't do. No speaker out there that they can't drive. They are powerful and subtle at the same time.

When they go head to head I'll know better. My feeling is that the 701's are certainly the SOTA.

soulution2.jpg


Ok Le Roy, you changed my mind; forget bi-amping....Let's do the 701's!
 
Ok :D , but I still say the caps are beneath the mb. It says so in Chapter 3 of The Head of the Pin Dance Instructions.
 
Hi Ken, the 701's are a bridged design. This is somewhat of an oversimplification but inside each 701 are two 711's side by side. Each internal 711 as it were drives each channel coming out of the mono block. One of the advantages of this design there is a better structure for grounding than is possible in the stand alone 711. The housing for the 701 is much bigger and therefore can dissipate much more heat.

This is important because the 701's are biased for the first 60 watts to operate in Class A. This is about 10% of the total output of 600 watts into 8 ohms. But when you put your hand on top of the 701 it barely feels warm. This is also because of the replacement of the huge transformers with the fully regulated switch mode power supplies. No need for a separate AC system in your listening room!

As for the sound I think that Harley gives a pretty good description in the January TAS about the sheer dynamic verve and assertive immediacy. I'd encourage you to read his account. I think that he captures the essence of the sound quite well. As he said in a different entry "their is probably not a more musically compelling amplifier out there".

As for which way I'm leaning, well I don't know. The 701's are a much bigger chunk of change. But when you consider that you are getting four 711's (two per mono block) instead of one it puts in a better perspective. There is probably nothing that the 701's can't do. No speaker out there that they can't drive. They are powerful and subtle at the same time.

When they go head to head I'll know better. My feeling is that the 701's are certainly the SOTA.


Hi Le Roy,

Thank you for that detailed description of the 701's! I did not know there were two bridged 711's per monoblock. I understand why they are so expensive now. I love those four huge capacitors per monoblock, they are awesome looking. With that sort of capacitance and the switching mode power supplies, it would seem that these amps would never run out of power. If I had D5's and could afford it, I would find some way to get these babies into my listening room. It will be a fun day at your house when you have your Soulution 7 Series amp shoot out!

All the best,
Ken
 
Per Cyrill Hammer, the Soulution 501 monoblocks run in Class A for about 15-20 Watts.

Ken
 
I could use your learned help.
I have Soulution 501s on my shortlist, but here currently are not any Soulution 501 demo amps in the USA (thank you Covid). I am running an all digital system (see description below) so no need for a preamp.
Years ago I listened to Soulution 701 Monoblocks with a preamp and Magico S5's at the dealer and, from what I can remember, thought the sound was great.
Pre Covid I did an in home demo of the Soulution 511 Stereo (without a preamp), which I was not a big fan of. I felt that while the Soulution's had better resolution/cleaner, crisper transient attack on bass string plucks, better bass, bigger soundstage; instruments were too separate (music wasn't continuous) and timbre overtones were not as rich/warm (esp piano low notes & violin), and in total they weren't as musical as the Odyssey's.
A dealer has warned me that Soulution amps don't "play well" with others and the amps need the Soulution preamps. Is this true or is this a dealer just trying to sell a preamp? Is the lack of a preamp why I didn't think the 511 Stereo was a musical as the Odyssey's?
I am also considering Constellation Taurus, but when heard them at an audio show (suboptimal conditions?) they were unremarkable (particularly bass). Florida is too hot for Pass gear (I leave the amps on 24/7 because my listening time is often impromptu.

My system is Magico M3's, Berkeley Alpha Dac Series Two, Berkeley Audio USB to SPDIF/AES Converter, souped up Odyssey Audio Stratos Extreme mono amps, Aurender N100H server, 2 JL e110 Subs, Synergistic Research 12 UEF power cell with Galileo SX power cord, SR Galileo UEF Digital and USB Cables, some Shunyata Alpha power cords, and Wywires Diamond interconnect and speaker cables.
What am I giving up, if anything, using 501's without a preamp? Suggestions? Thanks in advance.
 
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