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    Re: What Music Server and Dac Will Out Perform My Turntable and Phono Preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by Alrainbow View Post
    A simple question.
    Can you change the sound scape , stage width and depth ? Can you change the level of details , amount of weight ? For anyone who loves analog as I do you need a digital front end to vary for a given system. I owned an msb stack. I agree industry leader but it’s fixed or locked to a given sound by someone who feels it’s perfect for all. This leaves a given user to roll expense cables , preamps and so on. I’m not kicking msb but I am making a common sense conclusion.
    Spot on question! Don't really see correlation between being an industry leader in all of the above (which might or might not be true but for the sake of argument let it be true) with having one single sound signature as an output, while some of the industry "followers" are giving you the option, as Al rightly said, to absolutely tweak the sound with simple tube change to your absolute liking while delivering phenomenal sound as such. Now, this may not be for everybody and that is perfectly fine, but lets not forget that customization in todays world is the thing.
    In general - find your own drug based on your ears, as the pond is huge...and this kind of topics always end up badly.
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    Re: What Music Server and Dac Will Out Perform My Turntable and Phono Preamp

    I was into trying the different tonal shades of tubes when I owned my ARC Ref CD9 Player. Once I purchased the Select II DAC it was game over. While I could vary the tonality with the Ref CD9, there is a whole other level of realism with the Select II DAC, which no longer required tonal adjustment. It just sounded right. The search was over.

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    Ken I see and agree to your point and while I don’t know you but do know how high a regard mike L and others have for you I get it.
    my whole point is knowing what’s best for a given setup to start with. While you had tuned to how you feel and got the correct sound from msb. Many wander around like myself to get there. now that I have analog I now have moved my system towards this sound in tone , stage and weight. you and many actually know where to go at the start while many don’t.
    I argued this point on many forums even ps audio when I owned it.
    I even discussed this with Vince abating this at length too. Of course it’s all a point of view. Now regarding msb I agree it’s at a level that to some it’s locked sound is a very welcomed compromise. but ultra high end audio is a very complex beast to tame over all. People like mike and yourself as well as mike L have far more to know at the start.
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    Re: What Music Server and Dac Will Out Perform My Turntable and Phono Preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Their technology is years ahead of the competition.

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    everything they do was done by others years ago, even decades.
    i would agree that they do an excellent package out of it.....at a price relative ahead of the competitiors.
    that said, personally i would prefer your msb gear over analog.
    most audiophiles do prefer analog, then again not all.
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    Re: What Music Server and Dac Will Out Perform My Turntable and Phono Preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound;294613
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    most audiophiles do prefer analog, then again not all[/B].
    In my mind your statement is only true if your definition of what an Audiophile is narrow in scope
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    Re: What Music Server and Dac Will Out Perform My Turntable and Phono Preamp

    you are right jim. i dont know excactely how to use the term "audiophiles".
    i even dont know whether i am one of them myself.

    lets say most people here around state that they do enjoy the sound of theyr turntables more than theyr digital playback.
    and while i can deeply understand why and like analog myself, i do love that didital clearness and structure. sold my kuzma reference/fm accustic rig years ago. sounded incredible good and still havent missed it with one thought yet
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    Re: What Music Server and Dac Will Out Perform My Turntable and Phono Preamp

    In my experience if someone is looking for a digital setup that sounds like the best analog (turntable) reproduction, it does usually mean looking for at least one or two different sound qualities than when one is looking for the best digital reproduction.
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    I guess I will give the perspective of someone who owns more pedestrian gear. I have been building my digital setup since jumping back into this crazy hobby. Recently dipping my toe back into vinyl.

    I enjoy both, but MEP's point of comparing Apples and Oranges is very much spot on. They both sound great, but definitely different. It really comes down to what mood I am in.

    With that said I also believe you do not have to go to extreme levels to get very good digital. Yes, I would love a Lampi or MSB, but the T+A is pretty dang amazing and will top most anything in the $10k-$20k plus range for a DAC. Their higher models play on the same field as Lampi and MSB.

    Yes I have heard fantastic things about the SGM servers... but starting at $18k for what is in essence a custom built computer.... if you are not afraid of computers you can build your own and if you concentrate on what makes a difference in digital performance you can get very very close, especially if you use software such as Roon and HQPlayer, or have a high end custom computer manufacture the base unit for you to your exacting desires at a fraction the price.

    You can control the the digital system with a Roon controller device such as the iPad that was mentioned. I personally prefer an Android or my favorite which is a Microsoft Surface Pro 6!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post
    I tried it but never gave it any real time as I should at some point, but right now it’s very tough to beat in its current state. Maybe Kuoppis has?

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    I find the streamer in the Nyquist pretty good, have good experiences with Aurender (N100H) as well though.

    But as a DAC the Nyquist significantly betters the A10.

    When adding the Nyquist, I also switched to Roon on a Synology NAS. Prefer that to the Nyquist/ Aurender combo due to better transparency. But that might also be system dependent, and some might enjoy the added slight warmth of the Aurender.

    As to the original question, I do have a very good digital system, and an even more pricey analog setup. I do enjoy both equally. But with my restless mind listening to analog is more relaxing, as I cannot jump between the tracks so much .

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    Re: What Music Server and Dac Will Out Perform My Turntable and Phono Preamp

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
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    But with my restless mind listening to analog is more relaxing, as I cannot jump between the tracks so much .

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    It is exactly the opposite for me. I get restless even thinking about playing vinyl knowing I have to get up at least every 20 minutes to flip the record. Twenty minutes is the maximum considering I am forced to either listen to shitty tracks on virtually every release or get up and skip over them. Much easier to do with a digital front end. Life too short to listen to crappy music.
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