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    Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield View Post
    No Mike, the real time ADA level matched switching was maybe 2 years back, held at a Hillsborough County library. I do recall that event at Barts, that was vinyl ripping. That Channel D (?) is pretty neat software.
    My event, there is no recording, its all live LP playback, straight vs a ADA looped version

    The results were clear. Way more info on the record we could measure and hear. He played the record Vs the digital rip. Yes, Channel D makes the Pure Vinyl software.


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    Re: Why no turntable?

    We should get back on topic rather than another analog Vs digital.


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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    We should get back on topic rather than another analog Vs digital.


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    One topic is logically linked to the other, Mike. That became even more clear to me as I just re-read your OP.

    The answer to your question "Why no turntable" is intrinsically linked to if you find it sonically necessary or not.

    I very much enjoy vinyl in my friends' systems, and often really love the experience. But I don't find it necessary for myself. Even though there are some occasions where the same recording really sounds better on vinyl than on digital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    One topic is logically linked to the other, Mike. That became even more clear to me as I just re-read your OP.

    The answer to your question "Why no turntable" is intrinsically linked to if you find it sonically necessary or not.

    I very much enjoy vinyl in my friends' systems, and often really love the experience. But I don't find it necessary for myself. Even though there are some occasions where the same recording really sounds better on vinyl than on digital.
    You need a turntable in YOUR system to really experience it. Otherwise, itís a mute point. Listening at friends homes just isnít the same. Not even close.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    You need a turntable in YOUR system to really experience it. Otherwise, it’s a mute point. Listening at friends homes just isn’t the same. Not even close.


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    Sorry, I don't follow the logic.

    And you say I need to spend all the money on an outcome I already know from elsewhere, instead of spending it on optimizing the one source that I chose to be important for me? If I had done that, my CD replay would be much poorer (it, or its file equivalent, would also be much poorer if I had invested in computer audio to be able to play hi-res, taking money away from optimizing my system elsewhere). I don't have unlimited amounts of money lying around.

    And by the way, while I can listen through the clicks and pops in my friends' systems (to the point where I don't even seriously notice them even when my friends themselves complain about some of them!) I could never do that in my own system. I know because I have been through this in my youth. Never again. In that sense, CD was a godsend, liberating me from LP cleaning OCD.
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    I agree, no one NEEDS more than one source. Its suppose to be about enjoying music. Not analyzing your system. It's just a choose to have a second source. Or third. I made the mistake of buying a third source. Huge waste if money and a letdown for me. No desire to dump gobbs of money to try and make it better. The only good a 3rd source did for me was show me the cost of media for the first two is very affordable. Especially the streaming. As far as vinyl, digital and vinyl are close enough sonically it appears a waste of money, to me, to but high end records. The beauty in vinyl for me is finding an old Ray Charles or Art Pepper for $6 and its a smoking good recording. Spending $50 to get a remake that takes a concerted A/B to discern the differences between vinyl and digital is not a good use of money. For me.

    Edit to add, When I say vinyl is better than digital, the old Ray Charles, Art Pepper, Duke Ellington, Ella etc are the amazing finds on vinyl that digital reissues miss the magic. I have some $6 to $19 old records that are just amazing. The remakes of these album are not like the old vinyl. There is tonal purity in those grooves. And they are affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    I agree, no one NEEDS more than one source. Its suppose to be about enjoying music. Not analyzing your system. It's just a choose to have a second source. Or third. I made the mistake of buying a third source. Huge waste if money and a letdown for me. No desire to dump gobbs of money to try and make it better. The only good a 3rd source did for me was show me the cost of media for the first two is very affordable. Especially the streaming. As far as vinyl, digital and vinyl are close enough sonically it appears a waste of money, to me, to but high end records. The beauty in vinyl for me is finding an old Ray Charles or Art Pepper for $6 and its a smoking good recording. Spending $50 to get a remake that takes a concerted A/B to discern the differences between vinyl and digital is not a good use of money. For me.

    Edit to add, When I say vinyl is better than digital, the old Ray Charles, Art Pepper, Duke Ellington, Ella etc are the amazing finds on vinyl that digital reissues miss the magic. I have some $6 to $19 old records that are just amazing. The remakes of these album are not like the old vinyl. There is tonal purity in those grooves. And they are affordable.

    Sure you don't need BUT ONE source, one only needs one car, one bike, one of anything. But it can be about enjoying the music with more than on source. I happen to enjoy listening to an LP and holding the LP jacket, maybe its my age but its what I LIKE TO DO. I've got hundreds of LP's, hundreds of CD's some downloads but i stream as well. Big deal. its the music. I like a lot of others like the older pressings, whoopie freaking do.... This type of thread regardless on which forum its under always goes down the same street of nonsense. Digital vs LP vs tape vs CD vs download vs streaming. Just one sided jibber jabber that never stops. Well back to watching reruns of golf tournaments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    I agree, no one NEEDS more than one source. Its suppose to be about enjoying music. Not analyzing your system. It's just a choose to have a second source. Or third. I made the mistake of buying a third source. Huge waste if money and a letdown for me. No desire to dump gobbs of money to try and make it better. The only good a 3rd source did for me was show me the cost of media for the first two is very affordable. Especially the streaming. As far as vinyl, digital and vinyl are close enough sonically it appears a waste of money, to me, to but high end records. The beauty in vinyl for me is finding an old Ray Charles or Art Pepper for $6 and its a smoking good recording. Spending $50 to get a remake that takes a concerted A/B to discern the differences between vinyl and digital is not a good use of money. For me.

    Edit to add, When I say vinyl is better than digital, the old Ray Charles, Art Pepper, Duke Ellington, Ella etc are the amazing finds on vinyl that digital reissues miss the magic. I have some $6 to $19 old records that are just amazing. The remakes of these album are not like the old vinyl. There is tonal purity in those grooves. And they are affordable.

    Sure you don't need BUT ONE source, one only needs one car, one bike, one of anything. But it can be about enjoying the music with more than on source. I happen to enjoy listening to an LP and holding the LP jacket, maybe its my age but its what I LIKE TO DO. I've got hundreds of LP's, hundreds of CD's some downloads but i stream as well. Big deal. its the music. I like a lot of others like the older pressings, whoopie freaking do.... This type of thread regardless on which forum its under always goes down the same street of nonsense. Digital vs LP vs tape vs CD vs download vs streaming. Just one sided jibber jabber that never stops. Well back to watching reruns of golf tournaments.
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Why watch golf. Buy a Golden Tee golf machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    Why watch golf. Buy a Golden Tee golf machine.
    Ah Why ? LOL
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