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I've heard they are getting rid of the options and including more for less $$. Is this true?

If so, this is disappointing for existing owners as the cost to upgrade doesn't make sense vs. new model pricing.
 
It’s hard to know what exactly they’ve done with their pricing since they no longer display it.

Ken
 
Well, maybe they have discovered that charging 2K for a $50,- connector, which pretty much all other manufacturers are including as a standard, does not excite customers as much as they thought.

Especially, emergence of category killer products with a top feature set, such as the dCS Bartók or Meitner MA-3, is causing their proposition to lose some of it’s attractiveness.

Their products remain top shelve, but the market is a function of all the offers out there.

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It's good to hear they might be lowering their pricing to be more realistic. For a fully optioned MSB Select stack that sounded great mind you when I heard it in 2019 and was
obviously very well constructed, they were effectively eclipsing the price of a full 4-box Esoteric P1X and D1X transport and dual-mono DAC stack, arguably one of the finest offerings
with measured longevity and maturity in the industry which as a matter of personal opinion only, did not add up at all.

Same point for the $140K+ Wadax Reference DAC. Despite it's amazing the sound, the price just seems, at least to me for a DAC, ridiculous.
 
SCAudiophile said:
It's good to hear they might be lowering their pricing to be more realistic. For a fully optioned MSB Select stack that sounded great mind you when I heard it in 2019 and was
obviously very well constructed, they were effectively eclipsing the price of a full 4-box Esoteric P1X and D1X transport and dual-mono DAC stack, arguably one of the finest offerings
with measured longevity and maturity in the industry which as a matter of personal opinion only, did not add up at all.

Same point for the $140K+ Wadax Reference DAC. Despite it's amazing the sound, the price just seems, at least to me for a DAC, ridiculous.
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Details will be coming, but yes, it’s about simplifying options and removing options which were never (or rarely) selected by the customer. Discrete will remain unchanged. The Premier will see some nice more popular options included and a price drop. Details are still being worked out.

As for the Wadax, I heard it at Munich. Wasn’t my cup of tea. I think you’ve mentioned the top two in my books.
 
Mike said:
Details will be coming, but yes, it’s about simplifying options and removing options which were never (or rarely) selected by the customer. Discrete will remain unchanged. The Premier will see some nice more popular options included and a price drop. Details are still being worked out.
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I hope MSB provides existing owners an upgrade path.
 
Mike said:
Details will be coming, but yes, it’s about simplifying options and removing options which were never (or rarely) selected by the customer. Discrete will remain unchanged. The Premier will see some nice more popular options included and a price drop. Details are still being worked out.

As for the Wadax, I heard it at Munich. Wasn’t my cup of tea. I think you’ve mentioned the top two in my books.
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Any chance of the Premier with the Preamp Output option?
 
BobK said:
Any chance of the Premier with the Preamp Output option?
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That’s reserved for the Ref and Select II. But using the standard VC on the Premier isn’t a bad option!


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If MSB lowers the retail of the pieces I have there better be a check in the mail from MSB to make up the difference.
Also, I as well as many other MSB buyers most likely bought with the consideration of all the flexibility the modules offered. If they decide to get rid of some they better send each owner one of each module that's going away or at minimum keep enough of them for every piece already sold in case that owner wants a particular module in the future.

You can't sell a product on the fact of no obsolescence, extreme flexibility, and future proof and then change direction and believe current customers will accept it.......
 
Kingsrule said:
If MSB lowers the retail of the pieces I have there better be a check in the mail from MSB to make up the difference.
Also, I as well as many other MSB buyers most likely bought with the consideration of all the flexibility the modules offered. If they decide to get rid of some they better send each owner one of each module that's going away or at minimum keep enough of them for every piece already sold in case that owner wants a particular module in the future.

You can't sell a product on the fact of no obsolescence, extreme flexibility, and future proof and then change direction and believe current customers will accept it.......
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I always cast a jaundiced eye toward claims that any electronic device is “future proof.” Hopefully MSB is going to keep their initial customers who jumped in with both feet happy.
 
Kingsrule said:
If MSB lowers the retail of the pieces I have there better be a check in the mail from MSB to make up the difference.

You can't sell a product on the fact of no obsolescence, extreme flexibility, and future proof and then change direction and believe current customers will accept it.......
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+1. It means I'm done with MSB, by default. Why would I pay $5k for say the upgraded clock, that puts my total Premier cost over that of a new one. And if the "solution" is to trade in a less valuable unit for an even more expensive Ref (which now includes the big options for $50k+) that makes it even worse.

I've told my dealer this as well.
 
KeithR said:
+1. It means I'm done with MSB, by default. Why would I pay $5k for say the upgraded clock, that puts my total Premier cost over that of a new one. And if the "solution" is to trade in a less valuable unit for an even more expensive Ref (which now includes the big options for $50k+) that makes it even worse.

I've told my dealer this as well.
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Is this “solution” proposed by MSB? Or just a rumor or something your dealer suggested? But, wow! [emoji15]

MSB got a mess on their hands. The culprit to me is they wanted to charge a ton with different options (tried to follow Porsche options model lol) but it didn’t take off as much as they thought it would. Now, they wanted to change the direction and there’s just not a way that can satisfy everyone.
 
Kingsrule said:
If MSB lowers the retail of the pieces I have there better be a check in the mail from MSB to make up the difference.
Also, I as well as many other MSB buyers most likely bought with the consideration of all the flexibility the modules offered. If they decide to get rid of some they better send each owner one of each module that's going away
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I’m sure your check and modules are being readied now.
 
some highest end digital gear has lost a bit of its value after time. what a scandal!!
look at shunyata, how mean they are. offereing the sigma1 under the alpha2 label now (half price and even added some goodies) CONSPIRACY!!!!
i bed they planned this with the rothschilds.
 
u-sound said:
some highest end digital gear has lost a bit of its value after time. what a scandal!!
look at shunyata, how mean they are. offereing the sigma1 under the alpha2 label now (half price and even added some goodies) CONSPIRACY!!!!
i bed they planned this with the rothschilds.
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Nothing changes faster in audio than digital. It just keeps getting better and better.

As for any conspiracy, I have both Sigma V1 and Alpha V2. Two totally different cables sonically, size wise too.


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kzhtoo said:
Is this “solution” proposed by MSB? Or just a rumor or something your dealer suggested? But, wow! [emoji15]

MSB got a mess on their hands. The culprit to me is they wanted to charge a ton with different options (tried to follow Porsche options model lol) but it didn’t take off as much as they thought it would. Now, they wanted to change the direction and there’s just not a way that can satisfy everyone.
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I never felt MSB "charged a ton" for different options. U want them then get them. Don't want them you don't pay for them because they aren't already onboard. A win for the buyer. In fact I think they offered a discount on options ordered on initial build....
 
u-sound said:
some highest end digital gear has lost a bit of its value after time. what a scandal!!
look at shunyata, how mean they are. offereing the sigma1 under the alpha2 label now (half price and even added some goodies) CONSPIRACY!!!!
i bed they planned this with the rothschilds.
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Congratulations. You made it just under the wire. It only took 'till the 27th of December to make one of the worst posts of the year.
 
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