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    Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Are there any Gryphon Antileon (any model) owners or even anyone who has heard one before out there? Am home auditioning the Evo Stereo end of July against my Diablo 300. Would love to hear about any experiences.
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Heard one with Raidho. Not bad. I'm a tube e guy but I was enjoying the sound.
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    I listened to the Vitus SS 103 power amp and Vitus SL 103 preamp today with Devore Gibbon. It was a very impressive combination. It was very detailed and had a huge soundstage. I also liked the overall tone (a big thing for me). But, it seemed to lack something. I was not sure what until just now when I fired up my Diablo 300 and Magicos. Then I realised what it was: richness. I think Mike described Gryphon best with his “chocolatey” adjective. But with all the details as well. And with the speed and resolution of the Magicos, it just sounds good to me. I can’t wait to demo the Antileon Evo. If a tube guy (Kingrex - thanks for your post) thinks it sounds “not bad”, I can hardly wait
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    I should add that the Vitus SS103 is about 20% more expensive than the Antileon EVO. I plan to home demo both. Can’t wait.
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Has anyone listened to Vitus with Magico? Mike must have...
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    Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Has anyone listened to Vitus with Magico? Mike must have...
    Yes.

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Has anyone listened to Vitus with Magico? Mike must have...
    Several times, with S5 MKII and Project M.
    I'm sorry but I do not like the combo
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Has anyone listened to Vitus with Magico? Mike must have...
    I loved Vitus SM 011 monos with my Magicos when I had them at home.

    I should have the 103 at home end of July.
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    AJR, I had a Vitus SIA-025 with Magico S3's. It was ,"pleasant".
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    I remember Mike playing the S3 mk 2s with Vitus when he got them. Given the state of my memory...

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo



    The Antileon Evo stereo power amp arrived at the dealer’s today. What a beast! Gorgeous in person. The Diablo 300 is the one behind it. As soon as my MSB Premier arrives I will home test it. Can’t wait!
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo



    The Antileon Evo stereo power amp arrived at the dealer’s today. What a beast! Gorgeous in person. The Diablo 300 is the one behind it. As soon as my MSB Premier arrives I will home test it. Can’t wait!
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Congratulations AJR! The Antileon is huge!
    Looking forward to your listening impressions ...
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post


    The Antileon Evo stereo power amp arrived at the dealer’s today. What a beast! Gorgeous in person. The Diablo 300 is the one behind it. As soon as my MSB Premier arrives I will home test it. Can’t wait!
    Exciting times! Any first impressions?

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    It was a fly-by visit just to see it being unboxed. I helped lift it out - took two of us and that was a struggle. 84kgs! Will give it a listen in the store tomorrow but the real test will be at home when my MSB Premier arrives. In addition to comparing against the Diablo 300, it will be fascinating to see if the MSB Premier can drive it well or whether I need to start saving for a pre-amp... I haven't committed to buying the Antileon Evo - it has to pass my "Holy sh*t this is a whole new level(s)" test : )
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Have you managed to arrange a test for the MSB 204 power amps? Sorry to mess with your Antileon thread.

    Speaking of the Antileon, I thought the Diablo was a beast... it looks absolutely tiny compared to the Antileon. Interesting to hear your impressions.

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Hi Walesi,

    I don’t have space for monoblocks so am limiting my search to stereo power amps.

    A beast it is!

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Ah, ok. Hope the Antileon will blow your mind. Next step, a matching pre and a pair of M3:s. Then you’ll be done for a while

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Pricing is also a big factor. Somehow my Gryphon dealer sells his wares for what seems to be a very ‘reasonable’ price and he will give me very good trade in value on my Diablo 300 if I decide to upgrade. Seems like Gryphon can’t make Diablo 300s fast enough to satisfy demand out here in Singapore (and Malaysia).
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Quote Originally Posted by walesi View Post
    Ah, ok. Hope the Antileon will blow your mind. Next step, a matching pre and a pair of M3:s. Then you’ll be done for a while
    That’s the dream!
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    I am trying to educate myself on preamp and power amp matching. I understand that this is one of the trickier areas and that it is difficult to find/match up preamps. Of course listening is the best method but for now I am interested in the technical side, and I would love to hear any thoughts on the following.

    As mentioned, I am hoping that the volume control function on my MSB Premier will drive to a very high/decent standard the Antileon Evo. The relevant specs seem to be:

    MSB Premier:
    - XLR analogue outputs
    - 3.57Vrms max
    - 150 ohms balanced
    - Galvanically isolated
    - 1dB steps (0-106)
    - Digital/Analogue hybrid
    - I assume passive (?)

    Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    - XLR balanced inputs
    - Input sensitivity: 0.975v
    - Gain: +31dB
    - Input impedence: 20kOhm

    I understand balanced inputs, voltage and impedence, but not enough to work out whether, on its face, these specs align/whether any conclusions can be drawn from them. Any thoughts?

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Based on the specs provided the MSB Premier should have no problem driving the Gryphon Antileon Evo directly, but as you said only listening will determine whether you prefer it to running with a similar level active preamp.

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    Another photo taken today, this time with the AE next to the Diablo 300. Listened to them both with Wilson Benesch Resolution speakers. Was a quick listen and have never heard these particular WB speakers before (so am reluctant to draw conclusions - the real test will be the home demo) but my initial impression was that I was blown away by the huuuuge soundstage when the AE was fired up. The sound just seemed a lot more effortless and bigger. That’s all for now.
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    not to de-rail this thread but has anyone compared the evo to the hegel h30. looking through specs and general comments the h30 and evo could make for a really great shoot out

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Haven’t come across them before but after a quick look:
    - they seem to be monoblocks (I am after stereo)
    - are they pure class a?
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Gryphon Antileon Evo If I were a betting man, I would wonder what the odds were of you ending up with the Evo. Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Reminds me of the time that I first heard the previous iteration of the Evo - the Antileon Signature driving a pair of Bohlender Graebener line source hybrid speakers.

    On the Proprius "Now the Green Blade Riseth" album, even from the lead in tape hiss, one was able to sense the size of the cathedral venue. As you said, the soundstage seemed endless and the physical walls of the listening room simply disappeared. Also astonishing for me was the level of detail rendered; sound of air escaping from the organ pipes, the sense of the choir standing at different levels / heights.

    Having heard the Mephisto / Diablo 300 a number of times with Wilson Benesch Endeavour / Discovery II (they are very good but not inexpensive) and extrapolating (if at all accurate) from listening to the Antileon Signature, fwiw, I suspect that the Evo would have a warmer, more accessible, sound than the Mephisto, even it most of the customers of Ref A tend to go for the Mephisto.


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    Another photo taken today, this time with the AE next to the Diablo 300. Listened to them both with Wilson Benesch Resolution speakers. Was a quick listen and have never heard these particular WB speakers before (so am reluctant to draw conclusions - the real test will be the home demo) but my initial impression was that I was blown away by the huuuuge soundstage when the AE was fired up. The sound just seemed a lot more effortless and bigger. That’s all for now.

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Great description. Thanks!

    My dealer is so confident it will pass my “Holy Shit” test he bought it and is currently burning it in with my power cables. Probably has the invoice prepared and has has already lined up a buyer for my Diablo 300!
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Haven’t come across them before but after a quick look:
    - they seem to be monoblocks (I am after stereo)
    - are they pure class a?
    The Hegel H30 was developed as a mono block, but it can be configured as a stereo power amplifier (with lower output power of course.) While Hegel claims it sounds best running a pair in mono mode several reviewers found it sounds better running a single amp in stereo mode. It is not a pure Class A design, but Hegel has a patented feed forward technology they call "Sound Engine" which eliminates crossover distortion giving their Class A/B output stage the low distortion characteristics of a Class A design.

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    I guess everyone forgets my Hegel H30 experience. Gryphon Antileon Evo

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    well, thats one way to get a "warm sound" haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Great description. Thanks!

    My dealer is so confident it will pass my “Holy Shit” test he bought it and is currently burning it in with my power cables. Probably has the invoice prepared and has has already lined up a buyer for my Diablo 300!
    Was in the vicinity this afternoon but they had closed early. Guess they met their revenue target for the day Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Are you working with Han or Ben?

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Ben.

    We really should catch up in person
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Ben.

    We really should catch up in person
    Will drop you a PM.

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    I and a group of friends staying with me listened to the Antileon Evo stereo power amp and a 2nd hand Pandora preamp yesterday in my system at home. We were all completely blown away. They were all blown away by the Diablo 300 (which they heard for the first time a couple of days ago) and like me were wondering just how much better the pre and power combo could be. It was obvious after about 30 seconds, and from a cold start! After half an hour we were all just looking at each other in stunned silence, with huge smiles on our faces and shaking our heads in amazement.

    Here is a quick summary of the general consensus when comparing to the Diablo 300:
    - every single sound/note is just dripping in rich, detailed and layered texture
    - wider and deeper soundstage
    - richer/beefier and slammier bass, and even more detailed
    - effortless and non-fatiguing
    - attack, attack, attack!
    - seemed to really bring the best out of the Magico S3 mk2s - I was delighted that they seemed to easily handle the AE even at very loud volume levels. The bass in particular went so much deeper and not even a hint of distortion

    The combo is multiples (price-wise) of the Diablo 300 so this is an unfair comparison and us Diablo owners know that it competes even at price points far higher than the Diablo’s - but it was just astonishing to hear the step up in sound quality.

    They aren’t going back to the dealer’s!

    Now I need to work out why my MSB Premier and Innuos Zenith won’t work together. In the meantime, my trusted Lumin T1 is doing a great job!
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Ha, result! Next, the M3s.

    congrats! I´m trying to imagine what you are experiencing there.

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    An initial observation. The Pandora is fully burnt in (it is 2nd hand and about 2 years old) and the Antileon Evo has about 100 hours of burn in time (courtesy of my dealer).

    I have noticed that, compared to the Diablo 300, classical, jazz and electronica sounds absolutely incredible. As in, a whole new post code (or codes). But rock/grunge/metal sounds only marginally better - especially at loud volumes.

    Any thoughts that could explain this? Maybe after another 100+ hours the sound will change.

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    I have worked out how to get the “crunch” and “bite” sound for crunchy guitar tracks like “The Grudge” by Tool. I just need to switch the Class A bias mode on the Antileon Evo from “full” (ie 300W p/c into my 4 ohm speaker load of pure Class A) to “medium” (200W p/c Class A and remaining 100W p/c Class A/B) or, even better, to “low” (100W p/c Class A and the remaining 200W p/c Class A/B).

    Phew!

    I find that all other genres sound best in “medium” or (when I crank it) “full” mode.

    Am now very, very happy with the Pandora + Antileon Evo combination.

    Still can’t get the MSB renderer to work. A new one is being sent out.
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Interesting, since Class A/B has some additional crossover distortion compared to pure Class A biasing. I would theorize that the additional distortion is complementary to providing the 'crunch' or 'biting' sound characteristic in the guitar tracks that you perceive as being more realistic. Great that your amp allows you to easily switch to your preference!

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Thanks Bill. I was thinking the same thing re your theory.

    The 3 different bias modes are a fantastic feature. Gryphon manual says the amp needs about 5 mins to resettle after changing bias modes, so i just need to curate my playlists accordingly - starting with Tool or similar (nothing like a relaxing start to a music listening session!)
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Another update:
    - Still using my Lumin. Tried a firmware update to get the MSB renderer module working but no luck.
    - The Gryphon combo is just sounding better and better. You know that feeling you have the day after a really good live concert when you can’t get the music/feeling out of your head? It is like that.
    - I swapped out the XLR interconnects (from Pandora to AE) on loan from my dealer for some MIT SL Matrix XLR 36 interconnects to match my existing set (Lumin to Pandora). A noticeable step up in SQ even with no burn in, particularly LF and HF. I didn’t take note of what the the loaned set was but dealer said they are about half the price of the MITs.
    - The 3 different Class A bias modes are an awesome feature. It is like having 3 amps in one, although I find I have no need for “medium”. The “low” bias is very much like the Diablo 300 but a touch better and as mentioned above is good for crunchy/distorted guitar music. Then as you move up to “medium” then “high” bias it just gets better and better for all other genres.

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Another update:
    - Still using my Lumin. Tried a firmware update to get the MSB renderer module working but no luck.
    - The Gryphon combo is just sounding better and better. You know that feeling you have the day after a really good live concert when you can’t get the music/feeling out of your head? It is like that.
    - I swapped out the XLR interconnects (from Pandora to AE) on loan from my dealer for some MIT SL Matrix XLR 36 interconnects to match my existing set (Lumin to Pandora). A noticeable step up in SQ even with no burn in, particularly LF and HF. I didn’t take note of what the the loaned set was but dealer said they are about half the price of the MITs.
    - The 3 different Class A bias modes are an awesome feature. It is like having 3 amps in one, although I find I have no need for “medium”. The “low” bias is very much like the Diablo 300 but a touch better and as mentioned above is good for crunchy/distorted guitar music. Then as you move up to “medium” then “high” bias it just gets better and better for all other genres.

    Am in music heaven.
    Can you clarify your comments on the MIT? Are the MIT IC’s on loan?

    Lastly, the bias settings are only for limiting power and therefore limiting heat output. The low should only be used for low volume listening.
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    I bought the MIT XLR interconnects. Until then I was using some cheaper ones on loan from my dealer to connect the Pandora to the AE. The MITs are far, far superior.

    I find crunchy guitar music sounds better (including at loud volumes) on low bias. On high bias the “crunch” is not there like it was with the Diablo 300 or on low bias with the AE.
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    To be clearer - my understanding is that the different modes are not “power” modes; they are Class A bias modes. So if in “low”, it is 50W p/c (into 8 ohms) of Class A and 150W of Class A/B. In “low” mode I can crank it to 45 or so on the Pandora (haven’t tried louder - yet) and it sounds amazing (Diablo-like) with crunchy guitars. I could be wrong though and if it is “power” not “class” and so it is only ever in Class A then maybe if I crank the volume control more it will distort. Will try later.
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    FYI: Gryphon confirmed that my understanding above is correct: ie the AE has three Class A bias modes - if eg in “low”, it is 50W (p/c into 8 ohms) of Class A and 100W of Class A/B (NB: not 150W of A/B as I said above).
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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    I and a group of friends staying with me listened to the Antileon Evo stereo power amp and a 2nd hand Pandora preamp yesterday in my system at home. We were all completely blown away. They were all blown away by the Diablo 300 (which they heard for the first time a couple of days ago) and like me were wondering just how much better the pre and power combo could be. It was obvious after about 30 seconds, and from a cold start! After half an hour we were all just looking at each other in stunned silence, with huge smiles on our faces and shaking our heads in amazement.

    Here is a quick summary of the general consensus when comparing to the Diablo 300:
    - every single sound/note is just dripping in rich, detailed and layered texture
    - wider and deeper soundstage
    - richer/beefier and slammier bass, and even more detailed
    - effortless and non-fatiguing
    - attack, attack, attack!
    - seemed to really bring the best out of the Magico S3 mk2s - I was delighted that they seemed to easily handle the AE even at very loud volume levels. The bass in particular went so much deeper and not even a hint of distortion

    The combo is multiples (price-wise) of the Diablo 300 so this is an unfair comparison and us Diablo owners know that it competes even at price points far higher than the Diablo’s - but it was just astonishing to hear the step up in sound quality.

    They aren’t going back to the dealer’s!

    Now I need to work out why my MSB Premier and Innuos Zenith won’t work together. In the meantime, my trusted Lumin T1 is doing a great job!
    Hi AJR, I'm kind of in the same position as you were when you wanted to upgrade from integrated to separates.
    My Thiel CS 3.7s just like your Magico S3 are also extremely resolving and fast and would pair well with warmer and richer pre-power combos therefore i am also looking at the Pandora-Antileon Evo stereo for my new rig.
    I am thinking also at other combos like Aries Cerat Impera ll-Concero 65 monos or CH Precision L1-X1-M1 stereo as other great options.
    I will demo the Aries Cerat combo with Thiel CS 3.7s at the end of the month.
    Any thoughts ?

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Hi Thieliste,

    I haven’t listened to either brand but quite a few people on this forum are raving about CH Precision.

    You might also want to consider the new Zena instead of the Pandora. I went with the Pandora because I lucked out with a 2nd hand one suddenly becoming available when I needed it and at a very good price.

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Hi Thieliste,

    I haven’t listened to either brand but quite a few people on this forum are raving about CH Precision.

    You might also want to consider the new Zena instead of the Pandora. I went with the Pandora because I lucked out with a 2nd hand one suddenly becoming available when I needed it and at a very good price.

    Andrew
    Hi Andrew thanks for your response, i did listen to the Pandora-Antileon Evo combo at a show in 2016 they were driving Rockport Atria speakers.one of my favorite rig at this show.
    I know CH is very popular now days but i want to have different options for my build before making any decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thieliste View Post
    Hi Andrew thanks for your response, i did listen to the Pandora-Antileon Evo combo at a show in 2016 they were driving Rockport Atria speakers.one of my favorite rig at this show.
    I know CH is very popular now days but i want to have different options for my build before making any decisions.
    With that Thiele tweeter, I would take a listen to Constellation. Not a fan of CH myself. I was going to seriously pick it up. Had it and really wanted to like it, but I personally find it very dry and sterile (Swiss Spectral), but it’s beautifully made and looks terrific. YMMV.


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    Big shout out to Mike's comments on CH. I had the L1 (dealer demo) hooked up to my A1's with a P1 phono stage into Magico Q3's. I thought CH had invented a strange A-to-D converter , making analog sound like (bad) digital . Cold, emotion-less and uninvolving. Returned the L1 and sold off the A1's pronto. Not my bag but hey - it's all a question of personal preference.

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    Re: Gryphon Antileon Evo

    Just wondering what in your opinion, is the best Pre amp match for the Antileon..... Zena , Pandora or another manufacturers

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