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AJ Soundfield said:
I'd rather not, but I'll take your word on it. Probably wouldn't pass scientific rigor, but pretty darn funny none the less.
I'm sure there were some embarrassed chefs!
In my tests of vinyl vs "digitized" same vinyl in real time with the audio club, there was a lot of laughing, no one got mad, everyone had fun.
The way it should be.
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And when the guy from Audacity came he proved how much information in music is truncated with 16/44 and how much more info was on the record. He showed us in real time on the screen at Bart’s. And the Japanese pressing he used made the cd rip sound broken.


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AJ Soundfield said:
I'd rather not, but I'll take your word on it. Probably wouldn't pass scientific rigor, but pretty darn funny none the less.
I'm sure there were some embarrassed chefs!
In my tests of vinyl vs "digitized" same vinyl in real time with the audio club, there was a lot of laughing, no one got mad, everyone had fun.
The way it should be.
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It is funny to watch. Gordon Ramsey not only takes away their sight during the testing, he also takes away their hearing so they are down two senses.
 
Mike said:
And when the guy from Audacity came he proved how much information in music is truncated with 16/44 and how much more info was on the record.
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Yes, "music" and noise, etc. above 22kHz would be gone. As noted previously, audiometric science says old guys can't hear above 15k.
Old guys say they can hear into the GHz range. Believe me. :)

Mike said:
He showed us in real time on the screen at Bart’s.
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My listening, not viewing, was done in real time. The vinyl was playing real time, pops and all, and instantly switched to a low latency throughput ADA loop, pops and all. Voltages matched within 0.1v at the amp outs. There was no giveaway, just analog vs analog.

Mike said:
And the Japanese pressing he used made the cd rip sound broken.
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I didn't do any rips or Audacity processing, which can't possibly be compared in real time, so completely different from my test. What method did he use to match voltages? How was the test blind?
 
mep said:
It is funny to watch. Gordon Ramsey not only takes away their sight during the testing, he also takes away their hearing so they are down two senses.
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He took away their hearing?? That doesn't sound like science at all.
Fun I'm sure.
 
AJ Soundfield said:
Yes, "music" and noise, etc. above 22kHz would be gone. As noted previously, audiometric science says old guys can't hear above 15k.
Old guys say they can hear into the GHz range. Believe me. :)


My listening, not viewing, was done in real time. The vinyl was playing real time, pops and all, and instantly switched to a low latency throughput ADA loop, pops and all. Voltages matched within 0.1v at the amp outs. There was no giveaway, just analog vs analog.


I didn't do any rips or Audacity processing, which can't possibly be compared in real time, so completely different from my test. What method did he use to match voltages? How was the test blind?
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You were there my friend and the look on your face when the vinyl spanked the digital was classic.


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Ramsey doesn’t want them to hear what is being said during the blind tasting.
 
Mike said:
You were there my friend and the look on your face when the vinyl spanked the digital was classic.
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I think you have me confused with someone else Mike.
The only vinyl/recording thing I recall at Barts was the Channel Island (?) guys demo of how to rip vinyl/archive with his software.
Audacity?? Real time, unfiltered comparison? Me not smiling? Never.
 
AJ Soundfield said:
I think you have me confused with someone else Mike.
The only vinyl/recording thing I recall at Barts was the Channel Island (?) guys demo of how to rip vinyl/archive with his software.
Audacity?? Real time, unfiltered comparison? Me not smiling? Never.
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It was almost 8 years ago at Bart’s. The guy brought his turntable and software. You were definitely there. I remember laughing as the vinyl (Japanese pressing of DSOTM)!had more info (measured) and just crushed the CD sonically and in measurements. No surprise. The SACD is better, but he brought the CD. Bart was using a Marantz CD player (the gold one) and the guy brought some modest table.


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Mike said:
It was almost 8 years ago at Bart’s. The guy brought his turntable and software. You were definitely there. I remember laughing as the vinyl (Japanese pressing of DSOTM)!had more info (measured) and just crushed the CD sonically and in measurements. No surprise. The SACD is better, but he brought the CD. Bart was using a Marantz CD player (the gold one) and the guy brought some modest table.
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Time flies when you're having fun!
Yes, I remember that event. As I said, nothing in common with mine.
Mine wasn't a test of "CD" vs "vinyl" versions of recordings. Mine was vinyl vs vinyl playing in real time. "Pure" vinyl analog vs itself, passed through a "CD" 16/44 ADA (the ADA could go to 24/96, but of course I understand the science, so no need).
If folks want to do it again, so that they can experience it for themselves, I'd be more than happy to oblige. It's loads of fun and laughter. Good times. ;)

cheers,

AJ
 
TheOctopus said:
Ive always found this to be fascinating. https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality
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Funny :(, on my PC, I was wrong on all tracks but the Perahia (couldn’t really tell a meaningful difference on all the tracks but the Perahia one).These type of comparison are tricky. Some of these recordings are so compressed and processed to begin with, not sure what to look for (Did I lose the golden ears statues :blush:).
 
LVB said:
Funny :(, on my PC, I was wrong on all tracks but the Perahia (couldn’t really tell a meaningful difference on all the tracks but the Perahia one).These type of comparison are tricky. Some of these recordings are so compressed and processed to begin with, not sure what to look for (Did I lose the golden ears statues :blush:).
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None of my audiophile friends with decades of experience could ever be 100% on any of the tests out there. Including myself of course
 
LVB said:
These type of comparison are tricky. Some of these recordings are so compressed and processed to begin with, not sure what to look for (Did I lose the golden ears statues :blush:).
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I had a similar experience with a blind test of vinyl ripping/pop elimination software. Of the 8 tracks, IIRC, 4 were compressed pop/rock electronic stuff, 4 were (acoustic) classical. I couldn't tell the difference with the rock stuff. I had no clue what it was supposed to sound like, much less key on differences. I made no attempt to pick.
I got all 4 classical right (much to the gents surprise). This is well known in audio blind testing, content and familiarity (real training helps) are important.
 
Recent studies have been exploring whether expectation can have an effect on sound quality. The Hearing Review published an article on this topic, interviewing a scientist who was investigating this very phenomenon. Computational neuroscientist, Dr Emili Balaguer-Ballester stated that “Almost 80% of connections between central and pre-cortical areas during sound processing seem to be top-down, from the brain to the auditory peripheral system and not bottom-up, which is perhaps unexpected,” said Balaguer-Ballester. “As sound comes from an external stimulus, it would be fair to assume that most of our processing occurs from what we hear, but that is apparently not the case. What your brain expects to hear can be as important as the sound itself.” Are our ears telling us what we hear? Or is it our brains?


There’s a common term in psychology called, “the power of suggestion.” If someone or something suggests a certain outcome, your expectations of that outcome have an effect on the occurrence. If you’re listening to a high resolution file, naturally, you’re expecting it to sound better.

https://majorhifi.com/can-you-hear-the-difference-between-spotify-and-high-res/
 
TheOctopus said:
Recent studies have been exploring whether expectation can have an effect on sound quality. The Hearing Review published an article on this topic, interviewing a scientist who was investigating this very phenomenon. Computational neuroscientist, Dr Emili Balaguer-Ballester stated that “Almost 80% of connections between central and pre-cortical areas during sound processing seem to be top-down, from the brain to the auditory peripheral system and not bottom-up, which is perhaps unexpected,” said Balaguer-Ballester. “As sound comes from an external stimulus, it would be fair to assume that most of our processing occurs from what we hear, but that is apparently not the case. What your brain expects to hear can be as important as the sound itself.” Are our ears telling us what we hear? Or is it our brains?


There’s a common term in psychology called, “the power of suggestion.” If someone or something suggests a certain outcome, your expectations of that outcome have an effect on the occurrence. If you’re listening to a high resolution file, naturally, you’re expecting it to sound better.

https://majorhifi.com/can-you-hear-the-difference-between-spotify-and-high-res/
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That makes perfect seance, we tend to "like" what we are familiar with, and are able/willing to ignore serious issues in SQ, when we feel "at-home".
 
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, reality is an illusion. Deep down inside, at the very core of our fundamental quantum existence are building blocks and particles that are “neither here nor there” but constantly blipping in and out of this realm and existence. Our brains are nothing more than quantum computers with electrical impulses running the show...

Yet we try to figure out which cable sounds better. ;) For all we know these things could manifest themselves in very different ways for different participants of the quantum Matrix.
 
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