Prove it. IMO opinion as a owner of Borresen 03 speakers all I can say is they beat all other brands including Magico. Everyone has their own opinion. Feel free to disagree.
Just to better understand your above comment Jock, do you have any evidence of Borresen Acoustics loudspeakers being resold at 25 cents on the dollar? I haven’t seen any listed for sale in the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] hand market.
Further, has any dealer actually offered you “close to ½ off” for a pair of new Borresen speakers?
First - I should have said here in the United States. I have NO experience of sales outside of here.
I have not looked for any Borresen used for sale. But here in the USA, typically a current product that is in great condition will sell for approximately what a dealer can buy it for new . +- a little. That applies to stereo equipment, watches, etc etc. Not a knock on the product what so ever. Just how things typically work. With Raidho it's been that way for years. I've been told that Borresen has the same pricing structure. No reason to believe it will be any different.
And yes - I was offered a pair of 01s at 40% of retail price. (yes that's 60% off). I almost bought a pair. And might still do so once I sell my D5s.
It has been my understanding that it is not considered appropriate to discuss discounts or margins on this or just about any of the sites I peruse or participate.
You are right and I apologize. I was out of line.
Sorry.
It has been my understanding that it is not considered appropriate to discuss discounts or margins on this or just about any of the sites I peruse or participate.
I was not aware of any Audioshark site specific policies around this and perhaps Mike could comment?
Nikhil said:Ralf,
Since you and Lars asked what was the problem that we have with your posts, I'd like to point one example here:
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussio...-did-you-think
You are clearly a Raidho/Borresen Acoustics fan and actively shill/promote their products. In the thread I have referenced above you are clearly misrepresenting yourself as an audio enthusiast looking to find information on Borresen Acoustics. The Audiogon thread is there for everyone to see your disingenuous ways.
Lars,
Since you asked why some Sharks had a problem with your products ...
I was in the audience when you and Michael demonstrated your Raidho products at Munich 2017. You guys actively sold Raidho at Munich and shortly thereafter sold the brand leaving current owners in the lurch. We have several owners on here who were left with Raidho speakers that were reduced worth in the thousands of dollars. Jock has a D5 currently on sale at $38.5K (list price $220K plus). We all know this is a world where business is business but, to me, you guys cashed out at the expense of Raidho customers.
So please don't come on here and act incredulous about why we have a problem with your products and surrogate marketing tactics. We have to look out for each other and Borresen Acoustics has to earn our trust after what you have done at Raidho.
Regards.
I believe that you're mistaken. Lars and Michael didn't sell the brand. It was already owned by Dantax has been like that for over a decade. Lars and Michael left Raidho and Dantax since they didn't like where thing where going in terms of many things. It is not like they've sold their soul to the devil or anything. If you are to accuse anyone please have your facts straight.Ralf,
Since you and Lars asked what was the problem that we have with your posts, I'd like to point one example here:
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussi...eakers-have-you-heard-them-what-did-you-think
You are clearly a Raidho/Borresen Acoustics fan and actively shill/promote their products. In the thread I have referenced above you are clearly misrepresenting yourself as an audio enthusiast looking to find information on Borresen Acoustics. The Audiogon thread is there for everyone to see your disingenuous ways.
Lars,
Since you asked why some Sharks had a problem with your products ...
I was in the audience when you and Michael demonstrated your Raidho products at Munich 2017. You guys actively sold Raidho at Munich and shortly thereafter sold the brand leaving current owners in the lurch. We have several owners on here who were left with Raidho speakers that were reduced worth in the thousands of dollars. Jock has a D5 currently on sale at $38.5K (list price $220K plus). We all know this is a world where business is business but, to me, you guys cashed out at the expense of Raidho customers.
So please don't come on here and act incredulous about why we have a problem with your products and surrogate marketing tactics. We have to look out for each other and Borresen Acoustics has to earn our trust after what you have done at Raidho.
Regards.
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I believe that you're mistaken. Lars and Michael didn't sell the brand. It was already owned by Dantax has been like that for over a decade. Lars and Michael left Raidho and Dantax since they didn't like where thing where going in terms of many things. It is not like they've sold their soul to the devil or anything. If you are to accuse anyone please have your facts straight.
Since disclaiming is the new black - I work for Ansuz, Aavik and Børresen.
Just one other point in closing Nikhil. Lars did not sell his company after the Munich 2017 show. Dantax A/S acquired the Raidho project way back in 2009. From 2009 onwards Lars was a representative of the company. Your comment therefore that “you guys cashed out at the expense of loyal Raidho customers” is materially wrong. It is wrong not only because Lar’s wasn’t running or owning the company/brand but because today a growing percentage of former Raidho customers are now very satisfied Borresen customers.
Ralf,
Thanks for the facts on this. It does change my perception of events.
Perhaps I should change my original post to say "exited" instead of "cashed out" but quod scripsi, scripsi ...
I'm not quite ready to let you off the hook on the other point.
I'll leave it to others to read the Agon thread and make their own conclusions.
Regards
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I believe that you're mistaken. Lars and Michael didn't sell the brand. It was already owned by Dantax has been like that for over a decade. Lars and Michael left Raidho and Dantax since they didn't like where thing where going in terms of many things. It is not like they've sold their soul to the devil or anything. If you are to accuse anyone please have your facts straight.
Since disclaiming is the new black - I work for Ansuz, Aavik and Børresen.
.... Lastly, I have to say I've been put off by some of the contentious posts in this thread - it occurs far too often in many forums. More facts, less hearsay and rumor spreading, especially those used for a destructive purpose, would be most welcome.