Just now purchased the ClearAudio Double Matrix Sonic

What I would love to learn from Myles is about his experiences since he too has: VPI, Audio Desk and Klaudio. I am not entirely unique. The differences I would guess is that he is a reviewer and has amazing relationships with many of the fellows in the industry. Myself, I know no one. What would be awesome is to collaborate with Myles with his decades of experience in the industry.

Folks, this is not about who is right. It's all about sharing information and Myles has a lot of insight to the corporate arena out there. He knows everyone in the industry and writes reviews.

This is a great opportunity. Myles, are you in?
 
David, This thread could become one of the all time analog greats. I appreciate your doggedness. I have the Audio Desk, but still can have some clicks and pops and never really know if it's the record, or if it can be cleaned further. The new Clear Audio machine looks like a killer... Good luck and thanks!

Golucid said:
I want to thank everyone of their support. As you all know, I put my equipment at risk to process this crazy experiment. That said, I have no regrets. Not only have learned things about the units individually but also how they compliment each other. Interestingly, I also learned a bit about me and why I am doing this and more importantly, just how much this community means to me. I love it here... thanks everyone for being so darn kewl!

I can't wait to finish documenting phases 1-2...and as you know, this is an on going process. I should say more clearly, I have many more experiments I doing but if I don't start publishing what I have completed... I will never publish anything!

That said, I can't wait for lots of feedback about how I do things better. I say this because, I'm no expert. I am a novice and while that is true, there is certain value in ones beginning, yes?

Thanks again everyone for encouraging me to press on.

David
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dlb2 said:
I'm waiting for David to say that the Spin-Clean works the best. :fingers:
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You know, in my experience personally, its not a bad device at all. Given the right cleaning enzyme agent. It has worked very well for me!
 
Loop4fun said:
David, This thread could become one of the all time analog greats. I appreciate your doggedness. I have the Audio Desk, but still can have some clicks and pops and never really know if it's the record, or if it can be cleaned further. The new Clear Audio machine looks like a killer... Good luck and thanks!
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I think what might be a value is that I'm just an average Joe. I am not connected. I do not have friends in the corporate arena looking or reading my reviews. So, I have the freedom to convey a truth. Not long ago, I was approached by a manufacture that offered a gift...and I completely understood the motive. Write a favorable review about their product. I FLAT OUT REFUSED. Gosh. How could I? No one would ever believe me. I would be a bought off review liar!

I do not want friends in the industry because that smells of corruption. I believe all of use that are spending THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS have earned truth.
 
I think this little review/experiment, if done properly, would yield actual OBJECTIVE information. Something rarely seen in the audiophile world.
 
Golucid said:
I think what might be a value is that I'm just an average Joe. I am not connected. I do not have friends in the corporate arena looking or reading my reviews. So, I have the freedom to convey a truth. Not long ago, I was approached by a manufacture that offered a gift...and I completely understood the motive. Write a favorable review about their product. I FLAT OUT REFUSED. Gosh. How could I? No one would ever believe me. I would be a bought off review liar!

I do not want friends in the industry because that smells of corruption. I believe all of use that are spending THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS have earned truth.
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Ya "bought off review liars" are a problem.
 
Astor? Myles B. Astor?

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Golucid said:
I think what might be a value is that I'm just an average Joe. I am not connected. I do not have friends in the corporate arena looking or reading my reviews. So, I have the freedom to convey a truth. Not long ago, I was approached by a manufacture that offered a gift...and I completely understood the motive. Write a favorable review about their product. I FLAT OUT REFUSED. Gosh. How could I? No one would ever believe me. I would be a bought off review liar!

I do not want friends in the industry because that smells of corruption. I believe all of use that are spending THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS have earned truth.
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I was offered next gen cable product for review also to keep my trap shut. I of course declined and maintained my real world findings and didn't deviate from the opinion I wanted to contribute on the forum. Those machinations were of course in the past on another forum and the world moves on.

Forums are exactly for this purpose. It does not mean that the perspective of an earlier reviewer (objective or incentivised with disclosure) should be viewed as tainted if this field test demonstrates a different outcome. Readers choice at the end of the day.
 
Steve said:
I was offered next gen cable product for review also to keep my trap shut.
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Feels liberating to decline. Ethics are in check! I would not expect discounts or any special favors. I have been learning that this is something offered. Wow. I had no idea. Even though I declined, I still felt like I needed a bath!
 
This is my RCM collection. I am very tidy about my surroundings. I have house keepers and I am very OCD about everything being absolutely clean and perfect. Where will the ClearAudio Double Matrix Sonic go? I'm sorting this out. I have temporary dedicated space for the RCMs. I am hiring a designer to create a space for RCMs that will be in a temperature control environment. I know. OCD! But heck, why not!

And yes, the RCMs are connected to a Furman power conditioner.

Now to control that dust!
 
Golucid said:
This is my RCM collection. I am very tidy about my surroundings. I have house keepers and I am very OCD about everything being absolutely clean and perfect. Where will the ClearAudio Double Matrix Sonic go? I'm sorting this out. I have temporary dedicated space for the RCMs. I am hiring a designer to create a space for RCMs that will be in a temperature control environment. I know. OCD! But heck, why not!

And yes, the RCMs are connected to a Furman power conditioner.

Now to control that dust!
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David...If a designer is coming in, may as well build a hepa filtered compounded clean room within a room.

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MDP said:
I think the winner here will be a combination of vacuum and ultrasonic used in succession.
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Good luck on your testing, which seems rather complete, and real world, I have seen many of those substances on used records.

I currently use a 16.5, and it works well. Noisy, time consuming, but cleans well with the 3 step method. I am looking for upgrading, and have been reading about the AudioDesk, and KLAudio units. I like the idea, of setting things up, push go, and return when done. The nature of the vacuum based RCMs out there tend to encourage "batch" cleaning. You stack up the record aquisitions, and say "I'll clean those when I have time". The stack grows, and one weekend day I spend a few hours cleaning records, air drying them, new sleeves for record and cover. Then I fire up discogs, and log the albums. Then I can listen.

The thought of starting a record to clean, start warming up the audio gear, then get to listen to the record, as the next one cleans. Wow, I might even just clean the new record that I got, as soon as I get it to the room, with no stacking of my "new" stuff to listen to "later".

I digress, sorry. I am agreeing with Mark that a combo system of ultrasonic, and vacuum, including the use of cleaner fluid (alcohol, detergent, whatever) will be the best. Today is the first day I have seen the ClearAudio device, which had to be $4K to compete with the AudioDesk/KLAudio devices. Would be cool of they actually started competing pricewise, and open up the market to more people.
 
MDP said:
I think the winner here will be a combination of vacuum and ultrasonic used in succession.
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Mark.......I tend to agree. What I have gleaned from David's comments to this point, the VPI record cleaner with vacuum is a formidable opponent to the ultrasonic cleaners. Using both together seems to deliver the best of both approaches to cleaning vinyl LP's.
 
Double-D said:
Mark.......I tend to agree. What I have gleaned from David's comments to this point, the VPI record cleaner with vacuum is a formidable opponent to the ultrasonic cleaners. Using both together seems to deliver the best of both approaches to cleaning vinyl LP's.
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Agreed +2.

A thorough enzymatic wash/scrub and vac + rinse and vac (via vacuum RCM) and a followup COMPLETE high quality rinse and pulverization of any remaining contaminants via a US RCM seems like the right combo to me.
 
Double-D said:
Mark.......I tend to agree. What I have gleaned from David's comments to this point, the VPI record cleaner with vacuum is a formidable opponent to the ultrasonic cleaners. Using both together seems to deliver the best of both approaches to cleaning vinyl LP's.
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Right, the UltraSonic Toothbrush answer. You need scrubbing and the 'waves. :D
 
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